I'm like a lost child QQ hand 25nl

[bknollenberg]

shove turn, you are either in really good shape or are drawing dead (flopped nut flush / flopped second nut flush etc), but i think he more likely has something like AdJx. either way though your flop raise commits you, so shove for a little over a pot size bet on turn and cross fingers. tough spot though.

[Ranma4703]

Just a note for all you multitablers: This is the kind of situation reads help in. Not numbers, reads. Some opponents you are crushed, others you are crushing. Once you get to the turn, you have to push, but on the flop you have to know your villain. Any history with him? Have you been cbetting a lot?

On the turn, if you check, he is betting everything that beats you, and he might bet hands you are beating like AdJx. He is checking behind all his draws, and getting away on the river. Check/fold is okay, but I think hero should push here.

Honestly, I play 5 tables, no HUD, and I usually have pretty good reads on my villains. If you cannot get reads besides numbers, drop a table.

[sixsixtie]

Ok thanks guys. I think I agree that building a big pot on the flop with deep stacks on this board is a mistake. I did push the turn. He called and showed A2diamonds for the nuts.

[bozzer]

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This deep is it really a good idea to make a 3-bet with QQ on this flop? Certainly 4-flush hands (and pair+draw hands) are in his range, but the best result we can really hope for after a 3-bet is a fold, because whether he calls or shoves we'll be in a pretty sick spot, out of position, and it's much easier for him to put us on mostly overpairs than it is for us to figure out what percentage of his range we have good equity against.

Basically, QQ is just not that strong on this board and raising this flop heavily this deep just turns our hand into a bluff in my opinion. We may have the best hand on the flop, but we are also out of position and this is a pretty bad RIO situation. I don't like it as a default play without a read.

That said, every option is tough so I'm not sure I can really advocate just folding to the flop raise. Just calling and getting it on a blank turn might be a decent compromise (bet/call).

Certainly as played you have to get it in on a blank turn. When you raised the flop you basically already decided that, and you shouldn't have raised the flop unless you intended to do so.

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QFT, spot on.

OP, check out www.holdemranger.com for a PokerStove type tool that allows you to weight ranges without having to go through all the maths yourself.

[olliejen]

man, any reads? when you bet the flop, did you plan on 3-betting raises?

pretty much the only play you have now is to jam. he might fold 2 pair, a set or a single big [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] for a big bet here. if he already has a flush, guess it's reload time. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[dawade]

My initial reaction would be to just call the raise on the flop and check/call unless another [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] peels off.