Flop top pair and fold.

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Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

11,880 games 0.031 secs 383,225 games/sec

Board: Ah 2h 6s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 25.042% 16.10% 08.94% 1913 1062.00 { AdJd }
Hand 1: 74.958% 66.02% 08.94% 7843 1062.00 { 66, 22, AQs-ATs }


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If we add in AQo..


17,820 games 0.005 secs 3,564,000 games/sec

Board: Ah 2h 6s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 21.235% 14.67% 06.56% 2615 1169.00 { AdJd }
Hand 1: 78.765% 72.21% 06.56% 12867 1169.00 { 66, 22, AQs-ATs, AQo }


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11,880 games 0.031 secs 383,225 games/sec

Board: Ah 2h 6s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 25.042% 16.10% 08.94% 1913 1062.00 { AdJd }
Hand 1: 74.958% 66.02% 08.94% 7843 1062.00 { 66, 22, AQs-ATs }


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It looks like, reverse implied odds wise, you are in bad shape, and made a good fold if the second stove is more correct. Villain shouldn't really be calling with small pocket pairs though.

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I actually think this is way off.

I pokerstove'd what I thought was an adequate range for a good player in position who is beating the game against a guy who opened in mp and running bad and came with this:

Board: Ah 2h 6s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 58.251% 53.22% 05.03% 21602 2042.00 { AdJd }
Hand 1: 41.749% 36.72% 05.03% 14904 2042.00 { 66, 22, KQs, QJs, JTs, T9s, 98s, 87s, 76s, AQo-AJo }


Given I didn't really reach in the very lowest part of villain's range with, I think this is more accurate assessment of what op is up against.

[SNOWBALL]

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I pokerstove'd what I thought was an adequate range for a good player in position who is beating the game against a guy who opened in mp and running bad and came with this:

Board: Ah 2h 6s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 58.251% 53.22% 05.03% 21602 2042.00 { AdJd }
Hand 1: 41.749% 36.72% 05.03% 14904 2042.00 { 66, 22, KQs, QJs, JTs, T9s, 98s, 87s, 76s, AQo-AJo }


Given I didn't really reach in the very lowest part of villain's range with, I think this is more accurate assessment of what op is up against.

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gameover,

I'll admit my stove is bad, but I don't like yours much either. Those weaker suited connectors are pretty damn loose to coldcall with, and villain isn't often raising the flop with them.

Also, I think it would be unreasonable to counter by saying "well I don't think he's always raising with a set either"
This is a perfect spot to raise with a set. The other players will give you action on a flush draw or an ace, and not too much else, so raising here with a set is best, and I think villain will frequently do exactly that.

Isolation raising with a flush draw is much less likely, partly because villain shouldn't have many flush draws, but also because hero didn't say villain was particularly aggressive, so who wouldn't villain just smoothcall and hope to get multiway action on his come hand?
If hero has shown a propensity to fold, or villain is in fact overly aggressive, then I think we can throw the flush draws squarely back into his range.

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I pokerstove'd what I thought was an adequate range for a good player in position who is beating the game against a guy who opened in mp and running bad and came with this:

Board: Ah 2h 6s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 58.251% 53.22% 05.03% 21602 2042.00 { AdJd }
Hand 1: 41.749% 36.72% 05.03% 14904 2042.00 { 66, 22, KQs, QJs, JTs, T9s, 98s, 87s, 76s, AQo-AJo }


Given I didn't really reach in the very lowest part of villain's range with, I think this is more accurate assessment of what op is up against.

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[Munchkin Mayor]

Lot's of interesting analysis, but the question isn't about villian's hand at all. Villian probably has jack sh-t. Which is all he needs to take down this pot, given he is to the left of a tilting monkey. To villian: Good play. To hero: Come back tomorrow when you feel better.

[Munchkin Mayor]

After all, hero played AJ to begin with. What was he hoping for, JJJ? Only then, he'd be afraid that he is only chopping.

[SNOWBALL]

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Lot's of interesting analysis, but the question isn't about villian's hand at all. Villian probably has jack sh-t. Which is all he needs to take down this pot, given he is to the left of a tilting monkey. To villian: Good play. To hero: Come back tomorrow when you feel better.

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In OP, it says villain views hero as tag, but slightly loose in some spots. It says nothing about hero tilting or villain thinking hero is on tilt. Unless you were at the table, or have some other means of knowing stuff no one else in this thread seems to know, I don't see how you can draw the conclusions you are drawing.

[private joker]

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Adding in the flush draw hands is ok, but there aren't that many of them. Let's give him KQhh, QJhh, and JThh. That's 3 combos

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I think you can also go KThh, KJhh, QThh. Look, I'm not saying villain doesn't like his hand, but on paper this fold looks bad. I have to pick up a serious tell to fold AJ to a raise on an A62 flop given the PF action.

[Munchkin Mayor]

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Lot's of interesting analysis, but the question isn't about villian's hand at all. Villian probably has jack sh-t. Which is all he needs to take down this pot, given he is to the left of a tilting monkey. To villian: Good play. To hero: Come back tomorrow when you feel better.

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In OP, it says villain views hero as tag, but slightly loose in some spots. It says nothing about hero tilting or villain thinking hero is on tilt. Unless you were at the table, or have some other means of knowing stuff no one else in this thread seems to know, I don't see how you can draw the conclusions you are drawing.

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It doesn't matter what Hero thinks Villian thinks of Hero. What matters is what Villian thinks of Hero. Two clues that Hero is tilting 1) "Hero is running terrible and Villan knows this because he has been to my left for the last 2 hours" and 2) that he is immediately ready and willing to fold top pair good kicker.

Poker is more than about cards.

[that_pope]

I know exactly who you are referring to when saying 'chip tapper' and he has been making me go back and forth for awhile. At first I thought he was horrible when I first started playing 20, then I noticed he always seemed to have chips in front of him, so I started watching him more closely than easier to follow opponents.

And since then, he has played better than most, but he does some really odd things sometimes that leave me scratching my heads, both preflop and on the flop. He is very straight forward after that, but his preflop and flop actions can't always be taken as face value.

In this spot, I find if you call the flop, he checks the turn more times than seems correct, he takes really odd lines sometimes, don't know how to desrcibe it.

As if I would fold or call against him, I would call on the flop and evaluate the turn, just in case he checks like he randomly likes to do.

[Howard Beale]

'Chip Tapper' is easy to play against. He's got your Ace beat. His weakness is that he won't 3-bet a hand like A-K pf or even something like J-J. Once the flop comes down w/ that Ace he's not raising w/ K-Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] He doesn't play that way. So against that specific opponent you made a good fold, imo. Against a different opponent, well, you have to make the judgment.

btw: He only wears Party Poker polos when he plays. I'll give $5 to the first person who finds out how many he has and what he'll do when they finally fall apart. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[Hass]

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Lot's of interesting analysis, but the question isn't about villian's hand at all. Villian probably has jack sh-t. Which is all he needs to take down this pot, given he is to the left of a tilting monkey. To villian: Good play. To hero: Come back tomorrow when you feel better.

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In OP, it says villain views hero as tag, but slightly loose in some spots. It says nothing about hero tilting or villain thinking hero is on tilt. Unless you were at the table, or have some other means of knowing stuff no one else in this thread seems to know, I don't see how you can draw the conclusions you are drawing.

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It doesn't matter what Hero thinks Villian thinks of Hero. What matters is what Villian thinks of Hero. Two clues that Hero is tilting 1) "Hero is running terrible and Villan knows this because he has been to my left for the last 2 hours" and 2) that he is immediately ready and willing to fold top pair good kicker.

Poker is more than about cards.

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Love the responses so far, thanks for the input.

This one however I don't agree with. I don't see how these 2 things make me a 'tilt monkey'. I have a pretty even temper and it takes quite a bit for me to tilt off money. Now when I say that villan knows I'm running bad, this is because he has seen some of the hands that I have lost with in the past few hours. 2 or 3 big pots where I got pretty unlucky, one hand was against him.

Also, me folding this hand here does not mean I'm tilting. At the time I was positive that Villan had either 66 or AQ. I could not see a fd or underpair taking this line. Not from this villan.