As me about being a former swinger/sex freak

[john voight]

How intimate you get w/ the guys there?
Like you ever touch a guy naked?

How many times you go to a party?

Wats the craziest thing you see?
Were you scared first?

Could you spot first timers?
Any chicks ever reject you @ a party?

Lots of MILFS?
What is the averag chick, a 7?
What is teh average dude, a kreep? Or just a regular guy you'd never guess was into this?

This make you into a PUA? Or were you gifted before?
Any rashes?

[bkholdem]

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I hear that very often these clubs are frequented by middle age people, i.e. women that you wouldn't touch in your 20's. What were your chances that you actually meet a hot girl there and that she would agree to get it on with you? How often did you have to bang below average chicks to preserve your "club image" and remain welcome at the club?

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Really good question. Most of the on premises swing clubs that I visited were in NYC and FL for weekend trips or longer vacations. So I was not a regular at most places. And with these places there are couples that are also visiting from out of state, or from out of the country for that matter.

It is true that there are more females in their 30's and 40's than in their 20's overall. But they are mostly all good looking for their age. And when I was in my late teens and early 20's I acutally preferred women in their late 30's and early 40's os it was a bonus, not a sacrifice for me.

Add to that mix the fact that I was exhibitionistic and there was significant added pleasure being watched by a croud pounding the hell out of some chick, especiailly the looks on the other females faces [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

And there were females in their 20's there but to be honest, overall they were much more of a pain in the ass to deal with. They were much more into having men clamor over them for attention, something that is a turn off for me. I simply could not be bothered with that nonsense.

There was one extremely hot girl in one underground spot I used to go (she was brought there by her man as almost all women are although sometimes a small group comes alone, and at certain places real freaky chicks come alone) that would only blow me, and would not touch any other guy. If I was not there they would not do anything. And she was awesome! But after like the 4th or 5th time I was with her she and her hubby decided to ignore their rotine of hooking up with me when they first arrived and they went off and talked with some other guy. After like 1/2 hour she 'sent someone for me'. I blew her off! To hell with that, no chick gets to play a power trip over me. I will not be 'summoned' or be 'waiting on hand' for some chick! Many people were blown away when they heard I wasn't going to go with her anymore and that couple didn't come back there after that for over a year! hhahaa Several were pissed because they couldn't watch her give me head either hahahaa

And in any event, because of my status of fitting the qualities of desirability for these places, I would not be 'unwelcomed'. If I frequented a place with a small core group of the same people, say 8 or 10 of the same couples each party, with only occasional rotation and I didn't bang the chicks that wanted it it would probably develop into a problem, but I never went to the small house party swing clubs that are like that.

And at some places, and during some special events there are some extremely hot chicks there. Strippers, occasionally a porn star, there was even a very hot very famous celebrity at one club I was at once with her very famous husband, although intercourse was not allowed there. It was a kink club and lots of freaky stuff happened (you could sneak getting head too) but due to the ordinances intercourse/penetration was allowed. It was actually one of the better places I frequented in NYC despite that rule as some really hot sexual stuff would take place and some really hot women would be there, plus I got to get my exhibitionist issue off (like dancing in a cage like a stripper with a bunch of chicks sitting all around watching lol) and all sorts of other crazy stuff...

[bkholdem]

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Another one: Did you ever meet someone in such a club that you knew from your "day life"? Was it awkward? Would you seize the moment and have sex and then pretend that it never happend during daylight? Have you ever felt that you could be blackmailed by someone who saw you doing weird things there or who just knew that you visit such clubs?

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No, I never did meet anyone I knew. I discussed this with others out of this concern and was reassured because they told me that by 'telling on me' they would be also revealing that they themselves were there.

And it's not like I held a public office or anything (although one dude that was on the TV news used to show up at one place loaded from time to time lol)

[Anacardo]

BK,

How much nostalgia do you have for the old days?

[bkholdem]

All good questions:

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How intimate you get w/ the guys there?
Like you ever touch a guy naked?

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I am not bi sexual. One place I frequented had straight and gay and it was a real pain in the ass at first to fend off the gay dudes. This was especially true because it was a very underground place so normal 'rules' did not apply. It was actually a pretty dangerous place at times. They never tried to touch me but would try all sorts of come on's, sometimes acting straight and then trying to turn some gay action on.

One time I did do a DP on some dudes wife (I had her front, he had her back) and it was really fun at first but then I noticed the dudes balls started touching mine during his in thrusts which really creeped me out. Then I started wondering if he was liking that which really, really, creeped me out. I made the act end pretty quickly at that point.


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How many times you go to a party?

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Including the whole spectrum of places, I have been in attendance hundreds of times, but a fair portion of those times were at an underground location that was hit or miss with good female action so sometimes I would be hanging around for a while and then leave.


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Wats the craziest thing you see?

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haha, there were a lot of them. Can you be more specific?

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Were you scared first?

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I was scared when I first started going to the place with mixed gays and straights because it was not a normal swing place. It was very unregulated (one mafia dude used to be in there, he was taking a cut of the admissions and carried a gun and occasionally threatened people with it). I was mostly scared though because I was uncomfortable with all the men making these sly approaches on me, not scared physically because I could put a beat down on them easly, but scared because their relentless persistance was not against 'the rules'. Eventually they all started to leave me alone but the place was really creepy inside too. Pitch black in places, and I was 17 when I started going there so I was seen as prey to all the gay dudes lol. No one ever touched me, but they used to stalk me and follow me around the place and stuff. If it wasn't for the incredible action that happened with females there I would not have kept going.


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Could you spot first timers?
Any chicks ever reject you @ a party?

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Any rashes?

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No vd, no aids. Was scared of being infected though at times but ironically that was from the few times I banged some [censored] from a regular bar and stupidly did not wear a condom.

[bkholdem]

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BK,

How much nostalgia do you have for the old days?

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Not much at all as I have been away from that for probalby 5 years or so and my life is very different now. And even back 5 years I had cut back a lot from 4-5 years prior to that when I used to make regular weekend trips all the time.

[WhoIam]

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it was a real pain in the ass at first to fend off the gay dudes

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[swingdoc]

What does the current love of your life think about your swinging past? Did she know about this from the beginning of your relationship or was it something you told her later? Or did you meet her in one of these clubs?

[daryn]

aren't you currently very fat? not a jab at all i just think i remember you saying it in a previous thread.

[bwana devil]

there's a documentary from a few years ago about swingers. got somewhat mixed reviews but looked interesting. i cant think of the name of it but im sure someone else knows.