Dean Video: Bluff vs Llama - Page 2

DeathDonkey · #1 07-30-2007, 06:08 AM

The reason to check/call this flop with any pair and CR the turn is because you get paid off every time. I don't think this play is profitable in a vacuum.

-DeathDonkey

baronzeus · #2 07-30-2007, 11:14 AM

i dont like this. llama will always call down because dean would have to have precisely Q high (QJ, QT, Q9 specifically) or KQ for this raise to make sense on the turn. dean and jut about everyone else i know will fastplay a 4 on this board 99% of the time.

bad spot to bluff

baronzeus · #3 07-30-2007, 11:18 AM

ok, i only like peeling K7hh here is if you are peeling most turns too because you think your K high is good. if you are calling to fold most turns (like if a 2 hits) you should just fold. you dotn have a bdfd and your bdsd is weak at best. your 7 out is also tainted because of opening up str8 possibilites for opponent.

in general with a bdfd here you can call flop and re-evaluate on the turn. now there are a bunch of cards that you can peel again (K, 7, heart, str8 cards, etc)

gaming_mouse · #4 07-30-2007, 11:25 AM

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ok, i only like peeling K7hh here is if you are peeling most turns too because you think your K high is good. if you are calling to fold most turns (like if a 2 hits) you should just fold. you dotn have a bdfd and your bdsd is weak at best. your 7 out is also tainted because of opening up str8 possibilites for opponent.

in general with a bdfd here you can call flop and re-evaluate on the turn. now there are a bunch of cards that you can peel again (K, 7, heart, str8 cards, etc)

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bz,

going back to my original question, would you agree that villain is not folding an ace here?

baronzeus · #5 07-30-2007, 12:13 PM

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ok, i only like peeling K7hh here is if you are peeling most turns too because you think your K high is good. if you are calling to fold most turns (like if a 2 hits) you should just fold. you dotn have a bdfd and your bdsd is weak at best. your 7 out is also tainted because of opening up str8 possibilites for opponent.

in general with a bdfd here you can call flop and re-evaluate on the turn. now there are a bunch of cards that you can peel again (K, 7, heart, str8 cards, etc)

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bz,

going back to my original question, would you agree that villain is not folding an ace here?

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if villain is good, not ever

DpR · #6 07-30-2007, 05:03 PM

FWIW, I do not agree with the logic that villian is betting a particularly wide range on the turn. Assume he has ace high, what is he putting dean on after only calling the flop? You'd think Dean would raise any type of draw here on a dry board.

Further, the reason any 4 gets fastplayed "99% of the time" is because the villian is going to check behind so much on this turn (with a hand that has any s.d. value). IMO, once villian bets the turn he either has a pair or he has a hand with no sd value at all. I think that makes a c/r with no pair the worst possible option.

Even when villian does have ace high, Dean's line is really believeable for the reasonas i stated.

DpR · #7 07-30-2007, 05:04 PM

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ok, i only like peeling K7hh here is if you are peeling most turns too because you think your K high is good. if you are calling to fold most turns (like if a 2 hits) you should just fold. you dotn have a bdfd and your bdsd is weak at best. your 7 out is also tainted because of opening up str8 possibilites for opponent.

in general with a bdfd here you can call flop and re-evaluate on the turn. now there are a bunch of cards that you can peel again (K, 7, heart, str8 cards, etc)

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bz,

going back to my original question, would you agree that villain is not folding an ace here?

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if villain is good, not ever

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You like a turn bet from villian with AT here? I think those types of hands are getting checked through most of the time.

JDalla · #8 12-01-2007, 12:29 AM

random bump but is there any way I can watch this video w/o signing up for cardrunners (not even sure if that's where this is.)

baronzeus · #9 07-31-2007, 11:45 AM

also dont try to play like me its sick high variance. u'll run 5BB/100 for 30K hands then breakeven for 60K hands. i guess its still a good winrate overall but the BE streaks are painful

joker122 · #10 07-31-2007, 12:00 PM

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also dont try to play like me its sick high variance. u'll run 5BB/100 for 30K hands then breakeven for 60K hands. i guess its still a good winrate overall but the BE streaks are painful

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??? from the few hundred hands we've played together it seems to me you play pretty much ABC poker. what do you think you do differently than the other tags?