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08-28-2007, 10:21 PM
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Re: Stem Cells, Iraqi Children, Dogfighting
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] The fact that he has been told that the children's deaths are now "required" will have little impact on him. Nor should it. [/ QUOTE ] I disagree, it should have a big impact or at least its not the case that it shouldn't. chez [/ QUOTE ] I suspected you would say this. This situation is a very good hypothetical that illustrates the crux of our disagreement about a lot of things. Maybe philosophers even have a name for the two positions we are taking here. But I think I can prove your position is untenable and I will try to do that in the near future in another thread. [/ QUOTE ] Sounds fun though I'm pretty sure my position is not what you think it is. You might even like it, probably not. chez 
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08-29-2007, 09:39 AM
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Re: Stem Cells, Iraqi Children, Dogfighting
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] The fact that he has been told that the children's deaths are now "required" will have little impact on him. Nor should it. [/ QUOTE ] I disagree, it should have a big impact or at least its not the case that it shouldn't. chez [/ QUOTE ] I suspected you would say this. This situation is a very good hypothetical that illustrates the crux of our disagreement about a lot of things. Maybe philosophers even have a name for the two positions we are taking here. But I think I can prove your position is untenable and I will try to do that in the near future in another thread. [/ QUOTE ] You should probably specify that the children are Israeli (or whatever) hostages. That is because not all of us would agree that the death of Osama's children would be "unfortunate," given what they are likely to become when they grow up. And that view avoids the moral dilemma you are trying to demonstrate.
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08-29-2007, 12:03 PM
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Re: Stem Cells, Iraqi Children, Dogfighting
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] The fact that he has been told that the children's deaths are now "required" will have little impact on him. Nor should it. [/ QUOTE ] I disagree, it should have a big impact or at least its not the case that it shouldn't. chez [/ QUOTE ] I suspected you would say this. This situation is a very good hypothetical that illustrates the crux of our disagreement about a lot of things. Maybe philosophers even have a name for the two positions we are taking here. But I think I can prove your position is untenable and I will try to do that in the near future in another thread. [/ QUOTE ] You should probably specify that the children are Israeli (or whatever) hostages. That is because not all of us would agree that the death of Osama's children would be "unfortunate," given what they are likely to become when they grow up. And that view avoids the moral dilemma you are trying to demonstrate. [/ QUOTE ] Thank you chez.
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#4
08-29-2007, 12:07 PM
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Re: Stem Cells, Iraqi Children, Dogfighting
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] The fact that he has been told that the children's deaths are now "required" will have little impact on him. Nor should it. [/ QUOTE ] I disagree, it should have a big impact or at least its not the case that it shouldn't. chez [/ QUOTE ] I suspected you would say this. This situation is a very good hypothetical that illustrates the crux of our disagreement about a lot of things. Maybe philosophers even have a name for the two positions we are taking here. But I think I can prove your position is untenable and I will try to do that in the near future in another thread. [/ QUOTE ] You should probably specify that the children are Israeli (or whatever) hostages. That is because not all of us would agree that the death of Osama's children would be "unfortunate," given what they are likely to become when they grow up. And that view avoids the moral dilemma you are trying to demonstrate. [/ QUOTE ] Thank you chez. [/ QUOTE ] ? make no difference to me whose kids they are (unless I know them) fred
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#5
08-28-2007, 10:13 AM
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Re: Stem Cells, Iraqi Children, Dogfighting
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Those who oppose stem cell research but not bombing Iraqi houses (that are known to contain both innocents and "high value targets") make a much finer distinction. [/ QUOTE ] Those who oppose stem cell research based upon delusional mysticism are so far gone mentally they likely won't be able to comprehend your chain of reasoning. If they could comprehend it, they wouldn't oppose stem cell research in the first place.
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08-29-2007, 09:15 AM
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Re: Stem Cells, Iraqi Children, Dogfighting
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. They don't claim that the stem cell researchers ... [/ QUOTE ] You appear to be missing the point. Most people don’t really claim anything. They just let their gut feeling decide for them, and if pressed produce some half hearted defense. There is no reason for this defense to make sense or be logical, as long as it is strong enough to help them booster their belief. Beliefs are just a link in a process that we use to make decisions. The important thing is not that the process be logically consistent, but that the process produce acceptable results for the individual in situations where it matters. Most people will not be ordering bombing raids on Afghan villages or instituting stem sell research, so their is no need for their beliefs in this area to make sense. Also how about a woman who is a vegetarian and married to a man who likes dog fights, say she cant get out of the marriage easily, might their be circumstances where it would be best for her to hold an inconsistent belief structure.
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