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Old 05-24-2007, 02:08 PM
Abramovic Abramovic is offline
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Default Re: 50NL - I NEVER FOLD

hoya, if I C/R the flop I am bluffing. I am representing a bigger hand than 66, despite it is likely I have the best hand.
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Old 05-24-2007, 02:15 PM
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Default Re: 50NL - I NEVER FOLD

I agree a c/r on the flop turns your hand into a bluff but the question is if bluffing the flop is better than just c/cing three steets?

I take your line alot here too with varied results. I guess sometimes I just like to raise when I think my opponent is weak may not be the best in EV always I guess but I also dont think is worse then murky c/calling OOP

Guess im just not a fan of trying to get to showdown OOP rather just win it early or muck.
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Old 05-24-2007, 02:24 PM
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Default Re: 50NL - I NEVER FOLD

Call the flop, fold the turn and DEFINETLY fold the river.

I hate this play check calling it down, I am tempted to raise turn if I am doing anything with this hand
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Old 05-24-2007, 02:27 PM
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Default Re: 50NL - I NEVER FOLD

After calling the turn I think calling river is almost mandatory, but I had to think a bit.

The only stuff in his range that he 3 barrels here is stuff like 33/8x/77/KK. With almost everything else he checks behind on river.

If he is still going for value with 99-QQ on this river he is an exceptional player (but probably doesnt realise why or what he's doing).
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Old 05-24-2007, 02:50 PM
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Default Re: 50NL - I NEVER FOLD

If you think your hand is good on the river, why not bet yourself instead of calling (I don't see how you think it is good after the turn bet)?
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Old 05-24-2007, 03:41 PM
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Default Re: 50NL - I NEVER FOLD

folding the river is very very very clear
I could also find very good reasons for folding the turn

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Old 05-24-2007, 03:52 PM
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Default Re: 50NL - I NEVER FOLD

doesn't playing a small pp this way have RIO written all over it. Why call the river?
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Old 05-24-2007, 03:57 PM
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Default Re: 50NL - I NEVER FOLD

obv if he had any idea you'd call three barrles with this its pretty easy to value bet those hands. What else would you be ck calling all the way here. Nothing I assume. and certially nothing with a K in it so that doesn't change the board really.
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Old 05-24-2007, 03:57 PM
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Default Re: 50NL - I NEVER FOLD

I explained why I called river above. I think turn fold is generally standard, but after calling turn I think I have to call river for reasons stated above.

What do you guys put him on on the river? I want hand ranges other than just these statements.

Also, betting river is not nearly as good as c/c.
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Old 05-24-2007, 04:03 PM
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Default Re: 50NL - I NEVER FOLD

Yeah your right most players at this stake would se the K and think that is a good three barrle bluff card so bluffs are certially possible. He is probebly not thinking on the level to relise that it is not likely for you to hav a K and that you would have likely raised a better hand than 99-QQ by now. I guess I'm just not in love with ch calling small pairs on the flop but I'm not sure if ther is a better way to play it.
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