Doyle Brunson is wrong about straights and free cards

[Gonso]

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Don`t put words like Doyle Brunson and "wrong" in same sentence.
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With all due respect to Doyle, some of the things he wrote back then were flat out wrong. A little of it bordered on nonsense, it just so happened a lot of his mistakes and sillier beliefs were also held by most other poker players of the time.

[buckyb88]

A 8 8 ?

[jogsxyz]

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In Super/System, Doyle Brunson makes this observation:

"[W]hen an ace comes on the flop...unless the board is paired, the next card can always make a straight."

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For my full exploration of Doyle's advice on this point, see:

http://pokergrump.blogspot.com/2007/...-is-wrong.html

Comments are enabled on the blog, and also welcome here.

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It's just one of his rules(or better a guideline).
But it isn't always right.

AT5 flop.
6,7,8, and 9 does not make a straight.

A95 flop.
K,Q,J, and T does not make a straight.

[RustyBrooks]

His point is not that every card that comes will make a straight possible, but simply that if there is an A on the board, there is always AT LEAST ONE CARD that will make a straight on the turn. You can never guarantee that your opponent will not make a straight.

And yes, it's true, but not particularly meaningful. It would probably have been better to point out flops where it's impossible for the turn to bring a straight.

[HonestRyan]

here is something an old timer told me that i figured out was wrong. "In holdem, you can make every straight with a Ten Five" . this is incorrect. DUCY?

[Nsight7]

If Doyle Brunson is wrong I don't wanna be right.

[Vetgirig]

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here is something an old timer told me that i figured out was wrong. "In holdem, you can make every straight with a Ten Five" . this is incorrect. DUCY?

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No, its correct. All straights contain a 5 or a T.


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A 8 8 ?

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[WuTank]

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here is something an old timer told me that i figured out was wrong. "In holdem, you can make every straight with a Ten Five" . this is incorrect. DUCY?

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no 9high straight
btw fu for beeing a smartass

[Leptyne]

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In Super/System, Doyle Brunson makes this observation:

"[W]hen an ace comes on the flop...unless the board is paired, the next card can always make a straight."

This struck me as a peculiar point on which to make a blanket rule like he does. I thought about it for a while, played around with a deck, and did a little math to explore whether it really made sense.

The short version is this: With an ace on the flop, it is 100% certain that an opponent holding just the right hole cards could make a straight with just the right turn card. But without an ace on the flop, it is 98.2% certain! In other words, I can't see any reason that Doyle makes a distinction here. It is virtually always the case that at least one possible turn card could make an opponent's straight, whether or not there is an ace on the flop.

For my full exploration of Doyle's advice on this point, see:

http://pokergrump.blogspot.com/2007/...-is-wrong.html

Comments are enabled on the blog, and also welcome here.

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It seems to me that Mr. Brunson is indeed correct in observing a blanket rule that is 100% correct. If it were not 100% correct it would not be a "blanket rule". Your point being that Doyle should not distinguish between 98.2% and 100% fails to to have merit.

[futuredoc85]

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Don`t put words like Doyle Brunson and "wrong" in same sentence.
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hahahaha why not? Even if he was as good as live pro fanboys think it wouldnt mean he's never wrong. Given that hes nowhere near that good it stands to reason he is wrong about a lot of things.