Lost vs Redargoe - Page 2

sauce123 · #1 09-15-2007, 04:41 PM

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to those saying turn check, from playing with redargoe i dont think hes particularly apt to turn made hands into bluffs (or semibluff c/r weakish draws on turn). I think we miss some value with a turn check in this spot vs his range. though its close for sure. i guess just because "oh [censored] he checkraised" the answer to this hand shouldn't neccesarily be "duh, dont bet turn".

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I don't see you getting 3 streets of value here, so I'd rather just call/bet river.

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hoopster- i think thats kind of a simplistic explanation though. if ive been DB turns, and i start checking behind TPGK in spots like this, im becoming pretty damn exploitable to an opponent who ive played 14k hands with. balance is an issue. to be more specific- i think betting this turn with air is +ev against this player.

Redgrape · #2 09-15-2007, 05:37 PM

I think the river is a complete blank for your range obviously which is something that needs to be pointed out.

I think what is also important is there's really very little in red's range that you could put him on that hit the turn, which makes me think he's just [censored] with you and has the nuts.

Requin · #3 09-15-2007, 05:59 PM

I think turn is a must-bet. I'd probably fold to the raise though, and I definately fold the river.

jumbojacks · #4 09-15-2007, 06:34 PM

AA, maybe KK?

AAismyfriend · #5 09-15-2007, 06:38 PM

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AA, maybe KK?

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Given the recent dynamic between OP and villain, I would be shocked if he showed up with AA/KK here after the preflop action.

sauce123 · #6 09-15-2007, 07:56 PM

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AA, maybe KK?

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Given the recent dynamic between OP and villain, I would be shocked if he showed up with AA/KK here after the preflop action.

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in 16k hands btwn us he hasnt yet failed to 3bet AA KK that ive seen. and in this particular situation this becomes extremely unlikely

jfish · #7 09-15-2007, 06:38 PM

call turn and call river. i might sound absurd, but i think it is quads or air.

Bigmoney · #8 09-15-2007, 07:01 PM

river is [censored] weird

i really want to call but usually wuss out here

Redgrape · #9 09-15-2007, 07:37 PM

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but i think it is quads or air.

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I think this is flawed thinking and exactly why these kinds of plays own people.

AcTiOnJaCsOn · #10 09-15-2007, 07:43 PM

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but i think it is quads or air.

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I think this is flawed thinking and exactly why these kinds of plays own people.

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