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08-13-2007, 05:43 AM
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Re: Hero experiments w/ reraising KJs
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[ QUOTE ] I'd rather do it with 97s [/ QUOTE ] yeah I'd rather do it with AA but thats kinda not the point [/ QUOTE ] yes it is. KJ is one of the worst hands to try this out with due to the massive reverse implied odds. what happens if he calls, and then you get a Kxx of Jxx flop, cbet and get shoved on? its just a bad situation. hands like 97s dont get you stuck in these bad spots anywhere near as much. 
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#14
08-13-2007, 06:00 AM
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Re: Hero experiments w/ reraising KJs
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I'd rather do it with 97s [/ QUOTE ] yeah I'd rather do it with AA but thats kinda not the point [/ QUOTE ] yes it is. KJ is one of the worst hands to try this out with due to the massive reverse implied odds. what happens if he calls, and then you get a Kxx of Jxx flop, cbet and get shoved on? its just a bad situation. hands like 97s dont get you stuck in these bad spots anywhere near as much. [/ QUOTE ] 100% agree. We are crushed by almost any hand in villain's calling range. KJ is really one of the worst hands to do this with.
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#15
08-13-2007, 06:08 AM
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Re: Hero experiments w/ reraising KJs
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do you have any reads? this is totally fine vs a 28/24 who's isoing limpers (reads on them too plz). it sucks vs a 18/12 obv. i hate calling oop fwiw. [/ QUOTE ] QFT.
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#16
08-13-2007, 06:42 AM
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Re: Hero experiments w/ reraising KJs
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folding > raising > calling [/ QUOTE ]
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#18
08-13-2007, 06:46 AM
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Re: Hero experiments w/ reraising KJs
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[ QUOTE ] do you have any reads? this is totally fine vs a 28/24 who's isoing limpers (reads on them too plz). it sucks vs a 18/12 obv. i hate calling oop fwiw. [/ QUOTE ] QFT. [/ QUOTE ]
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#20
08-13-2007, 06:59 AM
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Re: Hero experiments w/ reraising KJs
if CO punishes multiple limpers alot (there are alot of players who only punish one limper with a wide range) then i think folding > 3betting > calling. (but i think 3betting and folding are close, and mayyybe 3betting is better?) i think calling and the pot most probably being 4way is a tricky spot to handle.
then again i guess the pot is smaller if you do that.. if this was an open raise from the CO, or one limp and a raise, then i think there advantages to both calling and 3betting. i think if you have a good read on how somebody plays postflop, like doesn't cbet much, or cbets too much and folds to checkraises alot (ie. some kind of predictable pattern you can take advantage of) then calling is probably better. but i think the better somebody plays postflop, or if somebody never defends their LP raises when they get 3bet...then 3betting might be better. [ QUOTE ] what happens if he calls, and then you get a Kxx of Jxx flop, cbet and get shoved on? [/ QUOTE ] Why do we have to cbet? I would often check if i had a hand like KJ, or even AK there. I might check/call one street atleast and see how it develops from there. If i have a note on villain that he double barrels when hes the 3bet cold caller preflop when i check to him twice.. i might call down with as weak as KJ. If he usually checks behind the flop with an underpair type hand, ill value bet the turn/river. Another thing, somebody said they would rather have 97s than KJ. While it is true that it is easier to play postflop, i read somewhere that this is a common misconception of the kind of hands that you want. I remember somebody somewhat respected saying that in 3bet pots you want hands that have decent top pair potential. Especially against the kind of regulars who play back at you light and just shove over cbets with air, or call with medium pocket pairs (probably a slight leak on their part?) thinking they have implied odds. Dont hands even like KJ/KQ/AJ do well against a calling range of small and medium pairs and suited connectors quite well? Ive always wondered about this situation, and some people say its bad play to 3bet with KJ some say its acceptable. Id personally rather have the initiative, and try and take down the pot preflop against players who i think will be hard to play against postflop. Would be good if there was a constructuve argument for either case. And is 97s really better than KJ here? Does the times 97s flops a big draw or two pair or trips make up for the times you cant continue postflop when you dont have a decent top pair?
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