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#11
10-01-2007, 03:25 PM
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Re: Raise and cap on the turn with overcards, gutshot and flush draw?
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[ QUOTE ] River: (17.50 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets</font>, Hero ??. [/ QUOTE ] Is there any question what you're doing at this point in the hand? [/ QUOTE ] Yea, seriously man. There is no question - you're 3betting this river all day and all night long. You aren't winning with K-high, right? And you aren't winning with a fold, right? Your ONLY real shot at winning this fat pot, is to 3bet this. You will get him to fold about 12-15% of the time in this spot, and given the juicy pot, it's an easy play to make. The problem is, most people are too scared to fire off this last 3bet here, and those are the long-term losers. Never give up. Or you could fold. Yeah, fold is good too. 
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#12
10-01-2007, 04:26 PM
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Re: Raise and cap on the turn with overcards, gutshot and flush draw?
The only reason to raise turn is to fold K3 or K9 and I don't think that is a large enough part of MP3s range to matter... besides any K or Q over card is tainted from str8 draws so I would just call turn.
I wouldnt even consider river calling the river WTF?
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#13
10-01-2007, 08:19 PM
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Re: Raise and cap on the turn with overcards, gutshot and flush draw?
wow ... this is like the NC hand where somebody raised and capped 9 high and won ...
[ QUOTE ] MP3 has 34.4/2.86/0.9 MP3 bets ... then MP3 bets ... MP3 3-bets ... then Button folds then Hero caps [/ QUOTE ] and then hero has a question about the river when he has nothing except a banana cream donut in his mouth [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] OP - what exactly do you think your "OUTS" are in this situation?
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#14
10-01-2007, 08:22 PM
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Re: Raise and cap on the turn with overcards, gutshot and flush draw?
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he has nothing except a banana cream donut in his mouth [/ QUOTE ] PB, you are an endless source of colorful metaphors [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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#15
10-01-2007, 08:27 PM
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Re: Raise and cap on the turn with overcards, gutshot and flush draw?
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[ QUOTE ] he has nothing except a banana cream donut in his mouth [/ QUOTE ] PB, you are an endless source of colorful metaphors [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] yeah ... i'm all about donuts right now ... I just got off the streetcar and this big giant fat guy was getting on and had a whole bag of them and a bunch of jelly all over his shirt and frosting on his chin for some reason - i thought about poker when I saw him [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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#16
10-01-2007, 09:08 PM
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Re: Raise and cap on the turn with overcards, gutshot and flush draw?
Pointblank, actually my main question is about the cap on the turn.
My main quesion here is have I evaluated my outs correctly on the turn? Cos I see that I have a pretty strong draw, hence am fattening the pot first in case I hit my outers on the river. But from these feedback, seems like having only HU is not giving me enuff equity to raise that much.
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#17
10-01-2007, 09:09 PM
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Re: Raise and cap on the turn with overcards, gutshot and flush draw?
please call turn (we are behind; no equity to raise), and fold river. Mp3 has clearly stated that he doesn't care if we like our hand or not. He's never folding.
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#18
10-01-2007, 09:10 PM
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Re: Raise and cap on the turn with overcards, gutshot and flush draw?
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Pointblank, actually my main question is about the cap on the turn. My main quesion here is have I evaluated my outs correctly on the turn? Cos I see that I have a pretty strong draw, hence am fattening the pot first in case I hit my outers on the river. But from these feedback, seems like having only HU is not giving me enuff equity to raise that much. [/ QUOTE ] mav, if you really believe this, then you should really do the calcs yourself, not just say "It seems like..." In other words, you will only improve if you work on these things now. So let's have it! Buzz
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#19
10-01-2007, 09:13 PM
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Re: Raise and cap on the turn with overcards, gutshot and flush draw?
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Pointblank, actually my main question is about the cap on the turn. My main quesion here is have I evaluated my outs correctly on the turn? Cos I see that I have a pretty strong draw, hence am fattening the pot first in case I hit my outers on the river. But from these feedback, seems like having only HU is not giving me enuff equity to raise that much. [/ QUOTE ] as stated before what do you think your outs are in this situation ... list all (in this thread) and give weight (ie. likelyhood of those outs being 'good') you can come to your own conclusion, based on your own work ... just eye-balling and raising because you have a 'huge draw' (based only on your two cards) isn't the way to go so - yeah ... list them all and give them "weight" then calculate ... and let people tell you what they think of you 'range'
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#20
10-01-2007, 09:14 PM
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Re: Raise and cap on the turn with overcards, gutshot and flush draw?
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Pointblank, actually my main question is about the cap on the turn. My main quesion here is have I evaluated my outs correctly on the turn? Cos I see that I have a pretty strong draw, hence am fattening the pot first in case I hit my outers on the river. But from these feedback, seems like having only HU is not giving me enuff equity to raise that much. [/ QUOTE ] The main thing to realize on the turn is when the guy in front of you folds you no are no longer going to hit your draw enough to make up for the times you pump this pot and miss so stop raising.
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