Possible dilemma in the late stages

[Hollywade]

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Read HOH II for detailed discussion and clarifying examples.

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I read it. I just have a bad memory. :-)

[SuperUberBob]

Definite shove pre. Maximize FE + weaker hands calling you = awesome.

[LMAO]

Interesting situation imo... given table dynamic and hero's position which situation is more EV

1. Shoving with 88 here
or
2. Shoving any 2 from say sb to HJ

btw... i know all about 'M' etc. etc. but he's not under serious pressure here despite his low 'M'. I think at some point you have to ignore 'M' calculations and start making decisions based on other factors.

[Hollywade]

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Definite shove pre. Maximize FE

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Yeah, this makes sense. It just always feels weird to shove 10+ BB preflop. I'm starting to see how it's not a bad idea though.

[OrrLives]

Easy preflop-push.

If you only raise to 10K and are called, you are going to hate most flops. Are you going to feel comfortable betting the following flops?
Any A + two other cards
Any two higher cards + low card

Probably not. Better to just push right now with the probable best hand. If you had 15BB+ UTG, you might not want to push... but it is probably marginal.

[erc007]

Not sure what your track record/ROI is in tournies so far, but i can say with certainty that you won't be a winning player if u open-fold 88 (even from EP) when u have 11BBs. I like raise/calling or open-shoving, but open-folding should not be an option. Your posts are interesting, indicating that you are/have the potential to be a good player...now start thinking about making EV+ plays...and quit being results-oriented.

[TDouble]

There hasn't been a lot of discussion to stack sizes behind you but this is my biggest reason for shoving with a low M. Guys w/ big stacks can call in pos and play close to perfect against you, esp in the blinds. You eliminate the difficult decisions on flops you don't like, max FE, get calls from worse, etc.

From middle and late pos I think you should shove a very wide range against opponents in the blinds w/ stacks similar to yours. People play waaaay to tight and don't do a good enough job of adjusting their range.

If you are going to win this 88 is a mandatory shove.

Do we shove 44 here?

I would be really interested in taking a look at this preflop overpair equation.......

[EroTheMad]

This is push. even from UTG on ten-handed table and M=10 88 can still be pushed. Under your conditions this super easy shove.