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#1
07-21-2007, 03:48 AM
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Re: I Play Weak-Tight
Calling down is not terribly bad, I don't think. You probably sacrifice equity when you have the best hand against the MP, but you also save money when you don't. The UTG is supposedly a good player, so if you do have the best hand against him, you probably end up making him fold correctly on the turn/river if he does have AJ/AT, and not AK. If you do in fact raise, you probably are going to end up paying a whole bunch of bets to the MP if he has the best hand whom you are OOP against, also allowing the UTG to get away fairly pain free. The UTG calling out of position w/ AK preflop is not out of the question here, but so is him calling w/AJ, AT here. I think he takes the same line with all these hands.
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#2
07-21-2007, 09:12 AM
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Re: I Play Weak-Tight
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Given the players behind you, you're not Iso'ing a LAG. Ignoring that bit of info can also be seen as flushing money. [/ QUOTE ] If you could guarantee me that two loose passive idiots would cold call behind me here I'd be just as happy (or maybe even happier) to put in three bets here preflop with AQ. -ActionBob
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#4
07-20-2007, 02:06 PM
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Re: I Play Weak-Tight
I just call. If MP just calls, I would strongly think about popping the turn if you think UTG could have AJ/AT here. If MP cold-calls the turn, I probably check the river.
MP worries me the most in this hand.
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#5
07-20-2007, 02:03 PM
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Re: I Play Weak-Tight
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Casino AZ 20/40 game that I have been crushing. I am up almost 4 racks in under 3 hours, and a few at the table are doing everything they can to stay out of my way, while others are simply oblivious. UTG is fairly loose and aggressive, but can find folds once in awhile if he thinks he is beat. MP1 is loose as hell and can never find a fold in him. The other cold callers are loose passive idiots who love two cards that have the same shape on them. BB is scared of me, which is the only reason he folds preflop. UTG raises, I three bet AQo in UTG+1, MP1 tries to call 2 bets, I point out it is three, and he calls even though action hasn't passed him. Two other people come along, and both blinds fold, and UTG calls. Flop comes AK5 rainbow, UTG checks, I bet, MP1 raises, two folds, UTG threeballs, and I... Also, am I being too agressive at a 9 handed table with AQo in UTG+1? [/ QUOTE ] I think maybe you're going to have to start taking your current image into account when making this type of decision. If UTG is a steady regular who knows that you're beating the game to death over the last couple of months and he is not the 'I've got to try and get revenge' type this is a likely fold. The CAZ game is not LA or LV. The player pool is smaller w/ fewer tourists. What I'm trying to say (doesn't look pretty so far) is that this decision is player dependant, imo, not a technical matter. If we are all there together point out who UTG is and I can give you a better answer. btw: How do you get the monies home? Brinks? [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]
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#6
07-20-2007, 02:14 PM
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Re: I Play Weak-Tight
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] Casino AZ 20/40 game that I have been crushing. I am up almost 4 racks in under 3 hours, and a few at the table are doing everything they can to stay out of my way, while others are simply oblivious. UTG is fairly loose and aggressive, but can find folds once in awhile if he thinks he is beat. MP1 is loose as hell and can never find a fold in him. The other cold callers are loose passive idiots who love two cards that have the same shape on them. BB is scared of me, which is the only reason he folds preflop. UTG raises, I three bet AQo in UTG+1, MP1 tries to call 2 bets, I point out it is three, and he calls even though action hasn't passed him. Two other people come along, and both blinds fold, and UTG calls. Flop comes AK5 rainbow, UTG checks, I bet, MP1 raises, two folds, UTG threeballs, and I... Also, am I being too agressive at a 9 handed table with AQo in UTG+1? [/ QUOTE ] I think maybe you're going to have to start taking your current image into account when making this type of decision. If UTG is a steady regular who knows that you're beating the game to death over the last couple of months and he is not the 'I've got to try and get revenge' type this is a likely fold. The CAZ game is not LA or LV. The player pool is smaller w/ fewer tourists. What I'm trying to say (doesn't look pretty so far) is that this decision is player dependant, imo, not a technical matter. If we are all there together point out who UTG is and I can give you a better answer. btw: How do you get the monies home? Brinks? [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] The UTG was the same guy that was between us while you were still at the table. But this hand happened after you moved to the main game, so you weren't the BB that was scared of me [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]. If you need further clarification, you spilled his rock star and he bummed a smoke off of you.
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#7
07-20-2007, 02:43 PM
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Re: I Play Weak-Tight
I think I fold here, but I play weak-tight too. The problem with this spot is that we are in a really bad RIO situation, where it's going to be hard to get paid off very well if we have the best hand now, but when we are behind we could get whipsawed the whole way through. If one of these goobers has a set then we are drawing nearly dead, but we've got 5 fake outs that'll force us to show down. Even if MP3 just have 2 pair now, it'll be hard to get value when we draw out on him because there aren't any turn cards that'll make us love our hand.
PF seems pretty standard against a LAG.
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#8
07-20-2007, 02:59 PM
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Re: I Play Weak-Tight
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Casino AZ 20/40 game that I have been crushing. I am up almost 4 racks in under 3 hours, and a few at the table are doing everything they can to stay out of my way, while others are simply oblivious. UTG is fairly loose and aggressive, but can find folds once in awhile if he thinks he is beat. MP1 is loose as hell and can never find a fold in him. The other cold callers are loose passive idiots who love two cards that have the same shape on them. BB is scared of me, which is the only reason he folds preflop. UTG raises, I three bet AQo in UTG+1, MP1 tries to call 2 bets, I point out it is three, and he calls even though action hasn't passed him. Two other people come along, and both blinds fold, and UTG calls. Flop comes AK5 rainbow, UTG checks, I bet, MP1 raises, two folds, UTG threeballs, and I... Also, am I being too agressive at a 9 handed table with AQo in UTG+1? [/ QUOTE ] I think maybe you're going to have to start taking your current image into account when making this type of decision. If UTG is a steady regular who knows that you're beating the game to death over the last couple of months and he is not the 'I've got to try and get revenge' type this is a likely fold. The CAZ game is not LA or LV. The player pool is smaller w/ fewer tourists. What I'm trying to say (doesn't look pretty so far) is that this decision is player dependant, imo, not a technical matter. If we are all there together point out who UTG is and I can give you a better answer. btw: How do you get the monies home? Brinks? [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] The UTG was the same guy that was between us while you were still at the table. But this hand happened after you moved to the main game, so you weren't the BB that was scared of me [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]. If you need further clarification, you spilled his rock star and he bummed a smoke off of you. [/ QUOTE ] I think I cap against that guy. He's likely not holding KK, just an Ace and probably weaker than yours. That watch he was wearing costs more than my car so I don't think the money means much to him. Plus, he's a 40 regular and is just passing time in the 20. I think for him this is just fun. Raise his turn bet on most cards. If he 3-bets that one you're no good. Still, that money is just on loan. Nice guy, though. And I got the replacement Rock Star for just the tip. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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#10
07-20-2007, 09:04 PM
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Re: I Play Weak-Tight
I don't think you can call i dont think he is limp/3-betting AJ or even AQ he obviously has huge hand otherwise he just would have donked flop. Considering his most likely holding here is AK I'd fold.
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