Application of Pokeys advice, 3 barreling

[Ranma4703]

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Im not sure what post by Pokey your talking about but I could imagine it's more in the lines of this hand.


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I didn't see Pokey's post, but I believe it was about how often times hero and villian both show down a busted draw on the river, and in that situation hero should bet a small amount on the river to fold the no pair hands that still beat him.

[monkeymaps]

his line is just as often a J or A then it is a flush draw semi thinking Tag/weaktightes call down lighter in this spot im not saying he never has a missed FD here but im not sure if this works often/

Id prob bet less on the river even though it makes it eaiser to call, if we assume the only part of his range he is folding is missed spades and maybe Jacks I think a small bet folds out that range as often as a larger bet.

[Ranma4703]

This is what I was referencing by the way:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...rt=all&vc=1
3. Not river bluffing when it's hopeless and you've been betting. say you've been betting a flush and gutshot draw and its the river with 30 bucks in the pot and the probable drawer checks to you. almost all 25NL players check behind here and i can't say how many times two draws were shown down in these types of pots. the bluff doesnt and shouldnt be big, you just want them to lay down a higher nopair than you have. remember that this only has to work a small amount of time if you're betting 1/3 pot, and the times I try it i'd guess it works about 50% of the time, so take that EV.

[Gelford]

Grunch

What advice has pokey given that makes you want to 3 barrel here ?

[wslee00]

if the river wasn't an ace i'd like this a lot better.

i don't mind the turn bet if you think he can fold a weaker ace.

[monkeymaps]

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if the river wasn't an ace i'd like this a lot better.

i don't mind the turn bet if you think he can fold a weaker ace.

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level? OP playing at 25NL trying to make anyone fold TP?

[megatron]

When he calls the turn bet what range are you putting him on? The flush draw is a small part of the range that gets here I think. Calling your Button raise from the BB there are various aces that won't be laying down, there's KJ that might not lay down, a QT gutshot made it on the turn. Given that he's passive and you are betting he might have slowplayed an A3s or 3's or J's. For me, this play could only work if there were several Kings that he might float oop with on the flop then call the turn as second pair and definitely fold on the river. Then the range might be wide enough. As it stands, I think he's calling you with way more than he's folding with.

EDIT: Although there are QJ JT type of hands that might call the turn with a pair and a gutshot that would definitely fold here.

[ShipitFMA]

Well, i didnt actually bet the river herea and he scooped with Q9ss. just wanted to check that im getting called almost everytime here.

Oh, and im not mininterpriting Pokey's advice really, its just a shocking spot to use it.

His advice is just "if its likely your opponant has air and you do too, then fire a bet"

[bozzer]

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Well, i didnt actually bet the river herea and he scooped with Q9ss. just wanted to check that im getting called almost everytime here.

Oh, and im not mininterpriting Pokey's advice really, its just a shocking spot to use it.

His advice is just "if its likely your opponant has air and you do too, then fire a bet"

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how many opponents call 2 streets with draws oop? what other hands do they do this with? flush draws don't make as much of typical villain ranges as you might think.

[LT22]

grunch..

he has Ax like 90% of the time here, spades 10%

Jack would have folded to the turn bet, maybe even the flop since TAGfish are so weak tight.

if you're so excited about the turn, make it bigger

river I guess you can try to rep it, but villain probably has AT/AJ?/AQ

the only reason to bet this river is the fact that it's the ONLY way you're going to win the hand. you just have to decide whether betting is -EV or +EV. I think it's -