What do you do against REGULARS who 3-BET you alot??

[Sandviper23]

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What do you do against regulars who 3 bet you alot?

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If you are Prahlad you should start 4 betting them.

But my advice to you is to practice avoidance.

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lol, what/who is Prahlad?

[ActionStan]

was mahatma, now busto

[Mike Kelley]

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was mahatma, now RObusto

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Prahlad

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definitely minraise.

[Mike Kelley]

CTS post on 4betting

CTS


Biceps advice about just avoiding them at 100NL is probably the best though.

[bottomset]

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was mahatma, now RObusto

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Prahlad

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I think the estimates are he is +1million or more in the 25/50 games on stars this year

[Smart Money]

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What do you think about the way I played this hand?


Poker Stars, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

UTG: $473
UTG+1: $218.95
MP1: $462.60
MP2: $290.85
CO: $192.65
Hero (BTN): $197
SB: $331.35
BB: $200

Pre-Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN)
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls $2, 3 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $10</font>, SB folds, <font color="red">BB raises to $30</font>, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls $20

Flop: ($63) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $38</font>, Hero calls $38

Turn: ($139) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $129 and is All-In</font>,

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"Suicidal" is probably a good description.

Against an unknown player, the vast majority of the time you will be up against AA/KK and playing a small pair like this will get expensive long-term.

[mce86]

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yeah, i currently do this...

but the higher stakes you go, the more of these players there are, and the more tables you play, the harder it is to aviod them.

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Its much easier at the lower levels to just avoid these players. Playing back at these players is a good spot to pick up some small pots as long as you arent scared of good players. 4 betting, stealing their c-bets are both strategies you could use.

[Mr_Donktastic]

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c/r shove vs thier cbets in reraised pots. Most of <font color="white"> </font> the regs 3bet a good ammount and they do it light, however, thier mistake is that they then go on and cbet in those reraise pots way to often. Make them pay for this.

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What do you think about the way I played this hand?

Poker Stars, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

UTG: $473
UTG+1: $218.95
MP1: $462.60
MP2: $290.85
CO: $192.65
Hero (BTN): $197
SB: $331.35
BB: $200

Pre-Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN)
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls $2, 3 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $10</font>, SB folds, <font color="red">BB raises to $30</font>, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls $20

Flop: ($63) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $38</font>, Hero calls $38

Turn: ($139) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $129 and is All-In</font>,

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If you are playing loose and getting 3 bet alot then you have to start doing stuff like this on occasion.

So to me it looks good, to many it probably looks alien.

[WantToLearn]

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Some players will 3BET me alot from BTN, CO or from the Blinds. They will do it equally from those spots and do it often. (...)

I fold alot to 3BETs but occasionally i'll play back, but its still costing me money in the long run.

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Well I am definitely not a pro, so take my words for what they are.

IMO if folding costs you money you fold too much. They do it often, so it´s a steal play basicaly on their side.
They probably think your game is a bit weak-tight.

One part if your problem is that you are out of position often - you say they do it from CO, BTN and the blinds. Being oop here is not very nice.

I play NL10 and I am actualy working on how to challenge the tight abc regulars c-bets. See, ~60% of the time they are missing the flop completely (no pair, no good draw). So are they c-betting a lot more? There must be some fold equity then. And value with so-so hands.(But, at NL10, they never play back when I attack. They standard c-bet, I raise, and from then on it´s fit or fold on their side. This might be different at your level.)

Preflop: Likewise, look at your preflop raising range to get a clue of how often you are ahead. If you raise a hand like JJ, AQo, whatever, have some idea about how many % of all hands are better than yours. If that would be like 15% but they are 3-betting 30%, play back.

That said, if someone is strong and tricky and daring and will embrace high variance for small +EV and has position against you, it might be time to leave. This has been said before.

Also, if they think you will fold too much to their 3-betting, try to find out how they play their monsters preflop. You fold a lot, so they just flat-call QQ+? All right, time for attack when they 3-bet.

Good luck! [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]