Stud 8b - jamming aces up on 6th - Page 2

ChipsAhoya · #11 08-10-2007, 12:53 AM

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That's a fascinating raise because it looks like you have 999. I would 3-bet and fold to a cap which I would think is coming more often than you would expect.

-ChipsAhoya

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How does it look like 999? Is OP completing on 3rd with split 9s in stud 8?

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It's probably not that out of the ordinary in tournaments. These people are terrible. Thats why I'm wondering if this guy is just like "ZOMG two pair!! RZITUP!!!" without actually even wondering about my hand.

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Bingo!

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Bingo indeed, which is what my line gets value from. I do like a call and a river c/r + fold U/I too though. You may lose 3 bets on the river if you both fill and he may not always bet two pair on the river, so I think my line is better in a tournament because you have less risk and people may be less likely to make weak value bets on the river.

-ChipsAhoya

adanthar · #12 08-10-2007, 01:20 AM

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Against tournament players I would actually call and check raise the river.

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absolutely nothing worse will call. not even kings up.

PokerJans · #13 08-10-2007, 01:34 AM

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Against tournament players I would actually call and check raise the river.

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absolutely nothing worse will call. not even kings up.

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Are you kidding? HORSE, stud8, stud, razz MTTs are comparable to play money games.

PokerJans · #14 08-10-2007, 01:44 AM

Also try and put this guy on a hand. Think it through from beginning to end and give me a range of hands that he would play like this on 3rd through 5th.

It is fairly obvious that the villain in this hand doesn't know what is going on here...

adanthar · #15 08-10-2007, 02:03 AM

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Against tournament players I would actually call and check raise the river.

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absolutely nothing worse will call. not even kings up.

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Are you kidding? HORSE, stud8, stud, razz MTTs are comparable to play money games.

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believe me, I know. but even complete clowns are not going to pay you off with worse when you CR the river with a paired doorcard. well, okay, there was some guy in there today that called the river unable to beat the board, but that's about it. they're bad, but in different ways.

if you're going to get value, 3 bet now (and yes, fold to a cap.) otherwise, just call down.

donger · #16 08-10-2007, 03:20 AM

One other factor to consider about checkraising the river is that weak players hate to valuebet the last street. They check the most ridiculously strong hands. So if I do get a checkraise in, I'm more likely to be beaten. This is not to mention, like adanthar said, a worse hand needing to call me too.

Kurn, son of Mogh · #17 08-10-2007, 09:22 AM

even complete clowns are not going to pay you off with worse when you CR the river with a paired doorcard

Even in stud/8 with a 9 in the door? Just a rhetorical question.

Kurn, son of Mogh · #18 08-10-2007, 09:26 AM

I guess if you assume he's an idiot you 3-bet.

On the other hand, if he's got any clue about stud/8 his play looks exactly like rolled up jacks or buried kings.

Kurn, son of Mogh · #19 08-10-2007, 09:35 AM

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Against tournament players I would actually call and check raise the river.

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absolutely nothing worse will call. not even kings up.

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Are you kidding? HORSE, stud8, stud, razz MTTs are comparable to play money games.

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I don't disagree with this, but as OP said in an earlier reply, a bad player will not value bet the river.

Of course, a lot depends on where we are in the tourney, stck size vs limits, etc.

Kurn, son of Mogh · #20 08-10-2007, 09:41 AM

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That's a fascinating raise because it looks like you have 999. I would 3-bet and fold to a cap which I would think is coming more often than you would expect.

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How does it look like 999? Is OP completing on 3rd with split 9s in stud 8?

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It's probably not that out of the ordinary in tournaments. These people are terrible. Thats why I'm wondering if this guy is just like "ZOMG two pair!! RZITUP!!!" without actually even wondering about my hand.

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In the stud/8 tourneys I play on 'Stars, this is not out of the ordinary in the early going. Later on, however, most of the complete idiots are gone and it is much less likely to see split 9's complete on the left of the BI.

That's why what limit this is and stack size are important here.