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#11
08-14-2007, 02:19 AM
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Re: icm question: set mining early
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Explain hopefully using maths, [/ QUOTE ] No math needed. Your default position is that readless its a fold, but you say you will call if you have a read that they will stack off with an overpair. In SNGs, assuming your opponent will stack off with an overpair should be the default. 
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#12
08-14-2007, 02:48 AM
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Re: icm question: set mining early
this preflop line shouldnt be standart, but given u both´d be deeper than average, u might call preflop...
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#13
08-14-2007, 02:55 AM
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Re: icm question: set mining early
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Full Tilt Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t240 (5 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com Hero (t2045) MP (t2280) Button (t4250) SB (t2240) BB (t2685) Preflop: Hero is UTG with 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to t480</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls t240. Flop: (t1080) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> BB checks, MP checks. Turn: (t1080) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> BB checks, MP checks. River: (t1080) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets t960</font>, BB folds. Final Pot: t2040 [/ QUOTE ] wtf. puuusssh
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#14
08-14-2007, 03:12 AM
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Re: icm question: set mining early
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[ QUOTE ] Full Tilt Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t240 (5 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com Hero (t2045) MP (t2280) Button (t4250) SB (t2240) BB (t2685) Preflop: Hero is UTG with 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to t480</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls t240. Flop: (t1080) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> BB checks, MP checks. Turn: (t1080) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> BB checks, MP checks. River: (t1080) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets t960</font>, BB folds. Final Pot: t2040 [/ QUOTE ] wtf. puuusssh [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, don't get the minraise.... Shove.
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#15
08-14-2007, 03:20 AM
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Re: icm question: set mining early
I hear people posting that if the effective stacks are 15x the raise or more, then this is OK. But that means that we have to stack our opponent half the time we hit, which, seeing as villain will miss the flop more than half the time, is just wrong imo. Add to that the fact that we aren't closing the action and it could easily be raised behind, and chips conserved > chips gained, and you have to fold the fours here.
Maybe it's different because it's an UTG raiser and higher PPs are a larger part of his range, but our position is so bad I can't see how you can call here...
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#16
08-14-2007, 03:36 AM
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Re: icm question: set mining early
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Full Tilt Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t240 (5 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com Hero (t2045) MP (t2280) Button (t4250) SB (t2240) BB (t2685) Preflop: Hero is UTG with 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to t480</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls t240. Flop: (t1080) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> BB checks, MP checks. Turn: (t1080) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> BB checks, MP checks. River: (t1080) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets t960</font>, BB folds. Final Pot: t2040 [/ QUOTE ] wtf. puuusssh [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, don't get the minraise.... Shove. [/ QUOTE ] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]
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#17
08-14-2007, 03:37 AM
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Re: icm question: set mining early
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Full Tilt Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t240 (5 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com Hero (t2045) MP (t2280) Button (t4250) SB (t2240) BB (t2685) Preflop: Hero is UTG with 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to t480</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls t240. Flop: (t1080) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> BB checks, MP checks. Turn: (t1080) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> BB checks, MP checks. River: (t1080) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets t960</font>, BB folds. Final Pot: t2040 [/ QUOTE ] wtf? on so many levels.
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#18
08-14-2007, 03:40 AM
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Re: icm question: set mining early
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I fold this hand to a raise w'out a read often. Reads I look for will payoff with overpair ... [/ QUOTE ] I agree with Noodleman that anyone raising UTG and hitting an overpair is stacking off almost always. You can make decent arguments for folding, but this isn't one.
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#19
08-14-2007, 03:45 AM
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Re: icm question: set mining early
It's totally awesome when this gets reraised by a mouth breather in LP. At least wait for a second caller or this is borderline.
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