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Old 06-26-2006, 02:38 PM
ninenine_zoe ninenine_zoe is offline
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Default Re: I used a read......correctly??

if he bluff-checkraises the turn with a lesser hand he deserves the pot.
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Old 06-26-2006, 02:44 PM
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Default Re: I used a read......correctly??

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if he bluff-checkraises the turn with a lesser hand he deserves the pot.

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This board isn't bluff immune.
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Old 06-26-2006, 02:49 PM
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If your read is that he peels flops light, why not bet the turn?

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There are times where getting bluff raised on the turn will happen at a high enough frequency that checking behind to combat this AND possibly induce bluffs is the more profitable play (note: betting the turn is obviously superior with a stronger hand).

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There's something to be said for this but still...he's a peeler.
I dunno I supposed I'm getting bluffed here sometimes but it never happens when I have an Ace.
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Old 06-26-2006, 02:50 PM
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There are times where getting bluff raised on the turn will happen at a high enough frequency that checking behind to combat this AND possibly induce bluffs is the more profitable play (note: betting the turn is obviously superior with a stronger hand).

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If you're checking the turn to induce bluffs then why are you betting the turn with a stronger hand?

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I should have left out the inducing bluffs part, but the idea I wanted to get across is that a hand like QT high pretty much has to fold to a turn check/raise even though the guy will be bluffing a fair amount of the time. OTOH, I would gladly bet the turn and call down a raise with a hand like 88. I guess, I want to protect my equity in the pot by not betting the turn with QTo because we will be forced to fold a) the best hand or b) a hand with 6-9 outs some portion of the time. I think protecting this equity is more important then the profit we get from getting him to fold a 6 outer.
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Old 06-26-2006, 02:51 PM
Big Poppa Smurf Big Poppa Smurf is offline
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There are times where getting bluff raised on the turn will happen at a high enough frequency that checking behind to combat this AND possibly induce bluffs is the more profitable play (note: betting the turn is obviously superior with a stronger hand).

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If you're checking the turn to induce bluffs then why are you betting the turn with a stronger hand?

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He's saying that checking the turn to avoid getting bluff check-raised and possibly induce a bluff on the river is better here. With a stronger hand, you want to bet to get him to try to bluff you off your hand.
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Old 06-26-2006, 02:52 PM
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I dunno I supposed I'm getting bluffed here sometimes but it never happens when I have an Ace.

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A lot of the times these bluffs never go to showdown because we 3-bet the turn and they either fold immediately or call and fold the river if they have a draw.
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Old 06-26-2006, 02:52 PM
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with other words: kwaz has played the hand correctly?
i mean, im here to learn something.
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Old 06-26-2006, 02:55 PM
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if he bluff-checkraises the turn with a lesser hand he deserves the pot.

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sure, but why put ourselves in a position to be outplayed in the first place?
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Old 06-26-2006, 02:58 PM
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So, is this a new standard to raise UTG with QTo?
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Old 06-26-2006, 02:59 PM
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So, is this a new standard to raise UTG with QTo?

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5 handed it is.
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