Question for AC'ers who refuse to vote. . .

[Archon_Wing]

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Personally, I think if everyone stops voting and paying their taxes, A/C happens; so the quickest way to get A/C to happen is to get everyone to stop voting and paying their taxes.

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I agree.

Apathy and disgust is the way.

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But what about the proverbial gun pointed at our heads? Ignoring it doesn't mean they can't shoot us. And they will.

[Vagos]

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Personally, I think if everyone stops voting and paying their taxes, A/C happens; so the quickest way to get A/C to happen is to get everyone to stop voting and paying their taxes.

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I agree.

Apathy and disgust is the way.

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But what about the proverbial gun pointed at our heads? Ignoring it doesn't mean they can't shoot us. And they will.

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Well said. This is why I have no problem with fellow anarchists who are willing to use voting to try and envoke incremental change. Casting a vote in self-defense makes sense to me (Thank you AlexM)

[Nielsio]

I don't understand, Archon.


Imagine a busy market. Imagine 40% of them are minarchist and 10% are anarchists. Imagine a cop starting to question someone because he is muslim. Or starts harassing skateboarders. Or starts looking around for people smoking a joint.


Imagine this large part of the people breathing down the neck of this cop. Imagine how the cop feels knowingly walking around with the thoughts of these people around. Imagine what it does to his sense of selfrighteousness. Imagine what it does to his idea that he is 'serving the people', or 'doing the right thing', etc.

[Archon_Wing]

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I don't understand, Archon.


Imagine a busy market. Imagine 40% of them are minarchist and 10% are anarchists. Imagine a cop starting to question someone because he is muslim. Or starts harassing skateboarders. Or starts looking around for people smoking a joint.


Imagine this large part of the people breathing down the neck of this cop. Imagine how the cop feels knowingly walking around with the thoughts of these people around. Imagine what it does to his sense of selfrighteousness. Imagine what it does to his idea that he is 'serving the people', or 'doing the right thing', etc.

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I'd imagine there's a number of situations where said cop might quit. But he is not that the type you should be worried about.

There are quite a few folks who not only believe it is their right to coerce, but it is their duty to coerce. It is simply amazing to see what kind of twisted logic one can come up with and he/her simply attacks the crowd as the belief is that the crowd is either insane or evil (because they are breaking the law). I am not sure how to convince them. But how can I? It is good for them to have this power.

Most people don't want to go to jail to stand up for ideals. Even if a large group stands up, some people are still going to be made an example out of. I guess there comes to a part where the law simply won't get enforced, but I'd still imagine a lot of collateral damage.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that the State will take every measure it can to survive. And from what history has shown us, it can get really ugly.

[Nielsio]

I think you are underestimating the power of thought. Try to realize that we are talking about the idea that government is criminal. Not specific agents of the government, no, the whole thing. The entire war on drugs, the entire war on poverty, the entire socialized medicine, schools, etc, etc, etc.



Imagine some neighbourhood where citizens are Borodog-esque. So they know they should stand up for themselves, they know the state sucks/is a scam. Sometimes they even have guns, etc.

Then imagine some guy in said neighourhood starts behaving criminally. Like starts stealing something, or tries to rape someone. What do you think will happen in this neighbourhood? That criminal is going to fear for his life.

This is not about being frowned upon, or having some weak in the knees objection to something, like argument from effect stuff. Or like we have today where it's I like ponies and you like spaghetti monsters, so I really don't have any real capacity to judge because morality is subjective and beating children is good because I'm affraid of power. NO. None of that [censored]. We are talking about die hard rock solid judgment and integrity.

[bkholdem]

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I think you are underestimating the power of thought. Try to realize that we are talking about the idea that government is criminal. Not specific agents of the government, no, the whole thing. The entire war on drugs, the entire war on poverty, the entire socialized medicine, schools, etc, etc, etc.



Imagine some neighbourhood where citizens are Borodog-esque. So they know they should stand up for themselves, they know the state sucks/is a scam. Sometimes they even have guns, etc.

Then imagine some guy in said neighourhood starts behaving criminally. Like starts stealing something, or tries to rape someone. What do you think will happen in this neighbourhood? That criminal is going to fear for his life.

This is not about being frowned upon, or having some weak in the knees objection to something, like argument from effect stuff. Or like we have today where it's I like ponies and you like spaghetti monsters, so I really don't have any real capacity to judge because morality is subjective and beating children is good because I'm affraid of power. NO. None of that [censored]. We are talking about die hard rock solid judgment and integrity.

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This sounds dangerously close to statism to me. What % of cops and people in the military would tell you they have 'die heard rock solid judgment and integrity'?

I don't want to live in any world with a moral military police state OR a moral military-esque militia.

[Nielsio]

lol, soldiers have no judgment. They do what they're told, remember?