Deepstacked Live 25/50 at Bellagio This One's A Toughie - Page 2

FoxwoodsFiend · #11 10-13-2006, 03:14 AM

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I have no idea what I'd do, but your hand is basically AA - so do whatever you would do with that. Would you vb AA here?

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I don't think he thinks my range is just AA here.

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Would he not 4 bet AA this deep?

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He probably would. might not with KK or QQ which makes me think he might not with AA also. your guess is as good as mine on this one.

AK47Suited · #12 10-13-2006, 03:19 AM

I like a bet around 7000-7500 on river..and hope he doesnt call with the flopped flush.

If he CRAI on the river is a fold ever correct here if u bet 7k+ on river btw?

hotmark777 · #13 10-13-2006, 03:35 AM

i would check you arent going to get called with anything worse. I think he has a missed draw most probably a pair of jacks or tens with a diamond or a naked ace. There is a possibility that he has s small flush and if he does he might call a river bet since he decided to call turn. The only problem with checking is that u show that u three bet a 25 os.

Nate. · #14 10-13-2006, 03:38 AM

FF --

Enough of his payoff hands are weakish one-pair hands (and enough of his hands are payoff hands) that is there merit with a (relatively) small bet to induce a bluff? The pot is 11K or so, you have 15K; I'm thinking half-pot or so, planning to call a push.

The obvious problem here is that Greg would be giving you 3-1 to call his push, but (a) enough of your hands here are bad/air to at least make him think about it, and (b) if nothing else, you're a guy who can fold a hand getting a price if you decide you're beaten.

--Nate

alphatmw · #15 10-13-2006, 03:40 AM

i'd expect to see T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] so value bet. if he c/r all in i have noo freakin clue what he could possible have.

spoohunter · #16 10-13-2006, 03:44 AM

I think a bet of $7500 will look like you are trying to steal it. Checking here would be stupid IMO.

FoxwoodsFiend · #17 10-13-2006, 03:45 AM

All. I just realized I misremembered the hand. The river was offsuit 9, not Q. Does that change anything?

NLSoldier · #18 10-13-2006, 03:57 AM

im all for doing really dumb stuff preflop, but 25o seriously?

FoxwoodsFiend · #19 10-13-2006, 04:06 AM

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im all for doing really dumb stuff preflop, but 25o seriously?

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thanks for that

Triumph36 · #20 10-13-2006, 05:03 AM

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im all for doing really dumb stuff preflop, but 25o seriously?

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It's an homage to duck.

Seriously - obviously your range is not just AA, but 25 on this board is AA no diamond, in essence, except that it beats AA. So to kind of wrap our heads around it, we can look at it like that.

Now a few questions - is he going to wait for you to c-bet every time on a board like this? i.e. if he has a set or flush, will he donk out into the flop, since you are rather deep and a pot-sized CR leaves tons of money behind? Does he think you would ever check behind on the flop with a made flush or set? Basically, would you ever slowplay a monster here? By the same token, would you ever check behind with the naked A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], hoping to catch the nuts for free? Could you check this flop with a big pair that had no diamond for pot control?

Your problem as I see it is that you haven't represented any hand at all by your line (check flop, raise turn). I mean it's damn near impossible for him to put you on a 2, but it's hard to see you with anything else here too.

MDMA can write a longer post about this I'm sure - all I have are questions, but I have no clue what to do in this spot. When I re-raised live with 25s, I hit two pair on the turn and was only 120 BBs deep - much better spot.