Hand 2: NYC Live 200/400 vs TheTakeover

[Pudge714]

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why would he ever check sopemthing that makes a full house on the flo [pand the turn, i don't get it

i'd call

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Looks like you just fell into his expert trap.

[EmpireMaker2]

I think this is a very very easy fold on the river

[Razor22]

Fold the river. The hand that makes the most sense is k10s or a10s. With aggressive players and deep stacks behind him, checking 2x to control pot would make sense. I do believe your mistake was not re-raising turn. qj or 66 would not check 2x in this spot. Looks like he tried to take the pot away on turn and made hand on the river.

[jfish]

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umm, if i called turn id call river. i think i generally fold turn, but once seeing the river i DEFINITELY call. AJ = QT though imo, but id call with both if i called turn.

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[aitchie]

Once you call the turn c/r he has to put you on at least a good jack. You're never calling that with spades & 2 raises on a paired board. If he's got the stones/read to try and bluff you off that on the river then good luck to him; i fold there (and i'm a station). He has QQ?

[mwalsh2020]

flop/turn combo scream qq or possibly 66 to me, but more likely qq... river bet reinforces that

[Matt Flynn]

i'd fold turn with Artful minraise behind me.

[tsarast]

Why does noone shove the turn? This is effectively a 200/400 hand... you only have a little over 100 BB's with 45k. There is about 5500 put in preflop, and by the time it gets to you on the turn, 3k + 6k + 16k = 25k + 5500 = 30/31k. Why call? You have AJ, nick probably isn't folding any jack with a worse kicker here... he could have a bunch of draws, and if the river blanks I don't think he bluffs (I seriously doubt nick would put you on a draw, so therefore your turn call = river call, he will shut down IMO). So by calling you are giving him a free shot to beat you if he's semi-bluffing, and I don't see you folding any blank rivers anyways. So where is the value of calling?

Surprised noone has said this, but this is an easy turn shove imo.

[Ajahn]

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Why does noone shove the turn? This is effectively a 200/400 hand... you only have a little over 100 BB's with 45k. There is about 5500 put in preflop, and by the time it gets to you on the turn, 3k + 6k + 16k = 25k + 5500 = 30/31k. Why call? You have AJ, nick probably isn't folding any jack with a worse kicker here... he could have a bunch of draws, and if the river blanks I don't think he bluffs (I seriously doubt nick would put you on a draw, so therefore your turn call = river call, he will shut down IMO). So by calling you are giving him a free shot to beat you if he's semi-bluffing, and I don't see you folding any blank rivers anyways. So where is the value of calling?

Surprised noone has said this, but this is an easy turn shove imo.

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Stacksizes are probably way off in the OP.

[CASINOCASINO]

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Why does noone shove the turn? This is effectively a 200/400 hand... you only have a little over 100 BB's with 45k. There is about 5500 put in preflop, and by the time it gets to you on the turn, 3k + 6k + 16k = 25k + 5500 = 30/31k. Why call? You have AJ, nick probably isn't folding any jack with a worse kicker here... he could have a bunch of draws, and if the river blanks I don't think he bluffs (I seriously doubt nick would put you on a draw, so therefore your turn call = river call, he will shut down IMO). So by calling you are giving him a free shot to beat you if he's semi-bluffing, and I don't see you folding any blank rivers anyways. So where is the value of calling?

Surprised noone has said this, but this is an easy turn shove imo.

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agreed fully.