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05-24-2007, 04:27 PM
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Re: bellagio 10-20 deep: top 2 on the flop facing pressure
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[ QUOTE ] how come we stopped putting money in on the flop? [/ QUOTE ] i agree, we are ahead of pretty much everything but 55 here, if we are planning to call this down i like pushing hard on a 4 bet on the flop to push out some draws or make them pay. [/ QUOTE ] I sort of feel this way as well. But the counter point is that we have 350 BB. 
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#2
05-24-2007, 12:48 PM
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Re: bellagio 10-20 deep: top 2 on the flop facing pressure
You said he's a competent regular. How often do you think he is leading/3-betting OOP on the flop with worse than AK?
It certainly feels like AK or a set. I would muck on the turn. As played, you probably have to call the river.
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#4
05-24-2007, 01:53 PM
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Re: bellagio 10-20 deep: top 2 on the flop facing pressure
hi mike,
ive played with you a few times in the wee hour bellagio games lately and i actually like your line here given generally how the game plays. I highly doubt villain in this hand has a set given how the action went down unless he likes to donk out often into big fields with strong hands, I think his range is more the likes of K5,K8,85, or Ah8h and 6h7h. I think he is going to show up with 85 here very often given his line. Although generally your very behind here, with how those short 10-20 games play late at night I think call/call is the best line to induce most of his range which you are ahead of to get his money in. This is all assuming that its the typical 5-6am where everyone is playing pretty loose and gambling bellagio 10-20 game.
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#5
05-24-2007, 06:09 PM
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Re: bellagio 10-20 deep: top 2 on the flop facing pressure
mike, I'm in the fold turn camp but think you can also fold the river barring a read. it's awkward and I would hate doing it, but I think chances of 85 and similar playing river like this are small. obv there's the busted draw but it's hard for him to put you on less than two pair and I don't think he's trying to get you to fold for your last 3k.
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#6
05-24-2007, 10:14 PM
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Re: bellagio 10-20 deep: top 2 on the flop facing pressure
your not gonna get that much meaningful advice about this exact hand but I'd like to suggest you figure out how you arrived at calling on the turn when there are 2 better options.
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#7
05-25-2007, 02:29 AM
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Re: bellagio 10-20 deep: top 2 on the flop facing pressure
Given his line he has 55 here a large portion of the time. The only hand you really beat is 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] and very rarely 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] x[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. Turn is a sick card as A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] just got there. He most likely doesn't have AK as he didn't re-raise preflop. I would fold turn 70% of time and shove 30%. Once you call turn you must pay him off on river.
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#8
05-30-2007, 02:16 AM
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Re: bellagio 10-20 deep: top 2 on the flop facing pressure
Even if he is capable of 3 betting you on the flop with a draw is he really going to shove on the riv laying you that price after you call 2300 on the turn after the A hits?
-I think that 85 is prob the only hand you can beat.HOwever if i called the turn i would have closed my eyes and called the river bet. -Are you calling the river shove if a heart, 4, or 9 hits?
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