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Old 09-20-2007, 02:56 PM
Munificence Munificence is offline
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Default Re: NL 100, 6 max. Standard shove?

I agree, it does seem like this is a straight forward push, but he raised UTG, and called a hefty reraise OOP. So is pushing +EV?
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Old 09-20-2007, 02:59 PM
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Default Re: NL 100, 6 max. Standard shove?

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Shove and its not close.

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Good. Then please tell us which hands we are beating that a TAG plays this way vs. another TAG. K thx.
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Old 09-20-2007, 03:07 PM
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Default Re: NL 100, 6 max. Standard shove?

My standard here is to push as well..

How bad is it to check this behind? The flop is very drawy but there aren't many hands that villain could have that we are afraid to give a freecard to.
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Old 09-20-2007, 03:12 PM
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Default Re: NL 100, 6 max. Standard shove?

For real, can anyone give any legit rationale to pushing here? Have you guys even bothered putting him on a hand?
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Old 09-20-2007, 03:14 PM
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For real, can anyone give any legit rationale to pushing here? Have you guys even bothered putting him on a hand?

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I don't think they do that here. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]
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Old 09-20-2007, 03:15 PM
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Default Re: NL 100, 6 max. Standard shove?

we split or are crushed. tough fold.
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Old 09-20-2007, 03:22 PM
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Default Re: NL 100, 6 max. Standard shove?

Hands that have us beat:

QJ - Ruled out from PF action.
AA - possible, but very unlikely.
KK - same as AA.
TT - makes sense here. A flop C/R with TT is meh here, but that doesn't mean he wouldn't do it.
AK - probably the most likely.

Hands you beat:

Tough to figure out. AQ is really the only one, and I wouldn't expect him to play it this way.

You're not that deep, so I can't see him calling your 3-bet OOP with a hand like KhQh, or some other random hand that's semi-bluffing a draw on this flop. Looks to me like a set or a chop with AK most of the time, regardless of how unlikely AA or KK are. I'd fold here.
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Old 09-20-2007, 04:02 PM
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Default Re: NL 100, 6 max. Standard shove?

how bad is it to check behind on the flop with the knowledge of villains possible holdings?
Why are we betting flop?
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Old 09-20-2007, 04:06 PM
Jay Riall Jay Riall is offline
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Default Re: NL 100, 6 max. Standard shove?

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Shove and its not close.

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Good. Then please tell us which hands we are beating that a TAG plays this way vs. another TAG. K thx.

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zzzzzzzzzzzzz do I have to? We have top 2 just get the monies in ffs. We don't even have a good read - OP said villain seems TAGgy - random TAGgy type players at 100NL suck dick and can show up with tonnes of crap we beat here.
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Old 09-20-2007, 04:08 PM
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Default Re: NL 100, 6 max. Standard shove?

The only hand you're worried about here is TT. AA and KK are so unlikely they aren't worth factoring in. If he's raising QJ UTG and calling a 3bet with it, he's probably doing the same with a bunch of other hands you beat like AT and KQhh.

Given that, I think you see AQ/AJ here as much as or more than TT. Villains at 100nl aren't thinking that deeply and AQ (TPTK+gutshot+fold equity) looks like a huge hand to them here. As a bonus we have AQ and AJ in worse shape than TT has us, and we're getting pot odds.

And analysis aside, even though OP describes villain as a TAG, I see villains show up with all sorts of random junk here. It's an autoshove.
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