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Re: Woah! Where did that come from?
Grunch
If it were me and I was in the heat of the moment I'd raise, but rereading it I'd fold. I don' think you can call because it looks like CO loves his hand and he will raise it and then it will be 2 back if SB raises. SB could have 2 pair, trips or a straight which means your outs are discounted or you're drawing dead. CO could have alot of hands but from the flop action he has a pp 99+ or A9. Plus the fact that UTG loves to call he also taints your 2 pair outs. After the weak analysis I still say fold |
#12
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Re: Woah! Where did that come from?
What follows will surely get me bashed into yoctoLimits.
Raise. A lone donk from a guy who has a 1) limited read and 2) done nothing but call is not enough for me to give up in a 14BB Pot. Yes, I may be drawing dead or to limited outs but I really would like a 6 out hand (or 6+) to fold incorrectly. Granted, we don’t get much, if any, of that equity. This is a gigapot – not the time to save bets. I would entertain the idea of calling and seeing what Lag does but most often he is going to Lag. Which, if SB treys I could then fold. |
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Re: Woah! Where did that come from?
:g:
I think this is an fold. SB pretty much always have you beat, but the reason to fold is really CO which may still be going bananas pumping the pot for SB. |
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Re: Woah! Where did that come from?
I'm afraid I call this during action, but it looks like a fold to me, SB either has a set or a str8, CO looks like a set also, 33, 44, 99 are all in his range. Other option is A9s, but would he cap you after you 3 bet PF and bet-3bet flop? He would probably raise you with A9s hoping you have UI overs, but he'd have to be very aggro to cap with it.
Which makes me wonder, what was your turn plan if checked to you? Check to CO flop capper, or lead out calling one and folding for two? |
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Re: Woah! Where did that come from?
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Yeah, Pat, I'd like to buy a vowel..... This is a pretty easy fold, imo. Flop play is goot, but your note makes me think that you're most likely drawing dead, at best drawing to two outs (all your hidden outs being dirty). [/ QUOTE ] wtf? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]? getting 15:1, and we still could have the best hand, and we are afraid of a turn donk? Maybe he donks with JJ "My overpair is still good." Wow folding here is pretty bad. |
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Re: Woah! Where did that come from?
I think the question is, do we get to SD for 2 BB? And do we want to wast one just to find out if CO raises?
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#17
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Re: Woah! Where did that come from?
Save 99, CO has turned his hand over.
We have not committed to a showdown yet. If it gets raised and 3-bet, back to us, then we can fold. But right now, the information we have does not even suggest to me that we are folding getting 15:1. Buzz |
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Re: Woah! Where did that come from?
i call and see what happens on the turn... pretty big pot IMO
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Re: Woah! Where did that come from?
[ QUOTE ]
I think the question is, do we get to SD for 2 BB? And do we want to wast one just to find out if CO raises? [/ QUOTE ] Exactly. It's all very well to say call the donk and see what happens but CO is almost certainly going to raise, and then it's back to SB. As I said in an earlier post, we have no idea how many bets it will take to showdown our 1 pair. We have no reliable post-flop info on CO and we think SB is L-P. |
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Re: Woah! Where did that come from?
If CO raises its two back to you for sure. The call is predicated on the hope that at 15:1 he isn't going to raise 1 time in 15.
Its a pretty straightforward call one and fold to two situation. |
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