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#12
10-30-2007, 03:51 AM
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Re: playing back with \'nothing\'
bluff with the "best of your hands that dont want to take to showdown"..
Your ratio of value bets to bluffs should be depdendent on the opponent. Here this hand rates to be among the best of your weak hands.. Backdoor flush draw + overcards to the middle pair is normally my criteria for most opponents on dry boards... tweaking it of course depending on the situation. I call with about half of them, and check/raise the other half. I also like to call with a lot of my strong hands preflop, that way my distribution is a lot stronger when check-raising on these boards.. If you reraise preflop in the BB a lot of your good king/ace high/pair hands, your range is significantly weaker here, and thus must bluff less with your air.. I think this hand should be in just about every solid flop check/raising strategy against all but the most LAGy players (in which case a c/c is clearly profitable). 
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#13
10-30-2007, 03:53 AM
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Re: playing back with \'nothing\'
nah, disagree with some of the posts here. The only reason why this is an ok board to play back on is cuz you might have the best hand and have a bdfd. However, in general you will be called down and rebluffed wicked light unless your image is one of never bluffing or the pfr actively avoids handreading. The reason is that you should 3-bet a lot of K's pf and fold a lot of 2's.
Make this A76, K65, T64, and I like this much more.
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#14
10-30-2007, 03:57 AM
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Re: playing back with \'nothing\'
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Bonus question: if this same opponent is in the SB, do you prefer floating him or raising the flop? (or folding) [/ QUOTE ] never folding this if SB opened. Sometimes raising, usually calling. Also, I think my previous post was misleading. Even vs. a button open, I think you should be peeling a fair amount here and occasionally c/r'ing.
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#15
10-30-2007, 04:05 AM
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Re: playing back with \'nothing\'
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Make this A76, K65, T64, and I like this much more. [/ QUOTE ] Could you explain why the K65 flop is better to c/r than the flop in OP? OP. I never fold this flop. c/r or c/c depending on flow and how villain plays turn and responds to c/r. In my games you get a free river quite a lot so folding is silly there.
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#16
10-30-2007, 04:09 AM
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Re: playing back with \'nothing\'
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bluff with the "best of your hands that dont want to take to showdown".. [/ QUOTE ] i think there are lots of situations where the range of your bluffing hands is disjoint: strong (but non-showdownable) drawing hands that can withstand calling a raise and hopeless hands that can easily fold to a raise, with the ones in the middle (weaker non-showdownable drawing hands that cannot withstand a raise) being just calling (or checking) hands.
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#17
10-30-2007, 04:09 AM
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Re: playing back with \'nothing\'
yeah if the button is opening > 30% of his hands, you have a profitable call, no matter what their postflop style...
its mathetmatics yo
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#18
10-30-2007, 04:12 AM
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Re: playing back with \'nothing\'
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yeah if the button is opening > 30% of his hands, you have a profitable call, no matter what their postflop style... its mathetmatics yo [/ QUOTE ] this is very interesting - how can we calculate this?
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#19
10-30-2007, 04:23 AM
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Re: playing back with \'nothing\'
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[ QUOTE ] Make this A76, K65, T64, and I like this much more. [/ QUOTE ] Could you explain why the K65 flop is better to c/r than the flop in OP? [/ QUOTE ] 1. you have bdsd 2. You can now credibly rep two and a half of the board cards. (you can't really rep the 2 or KTo+, K9s+). 3. He'll be less apt to rebluff you cuz he'll figure you're at least getting to the river with a str8 draw.
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#20
10-30-2007, 04:30 AM
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Re: playing back with \'nothing\'
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Make this A76, K65, T64, and I like this much more. [/ QUOTE ] Could you explain why the K65 flop is better to c/r than the flop in OP? [/ QUOTE ] 1. you have bdsd 2. You can now credibly rep two and a half of the board cards. (you can't really rep the 2 or KTo+, K9s+). 3. He'll be less apt to rebluff you cuz he'll figure you're at least getting to the river with a str8 draw. [/ QUOTE ] 1) Ok. But not exactly huge. 2) Start calling good Kx once in a while so that villains that can hand read isnt putting you on such a narrow range when you c/r this flop. 3) Good point. I will sometimes float a flop c/r on this flop with air to raise any turn. But wont you get called down more light? I will call you down more light when you c/r the K65 than the one in OP. Maybe thats a leak of mine.
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