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Old 08-14-2007, 02:07 PM
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You must 3-bet the turn. There are a ton of combo draws he could be doing this with, and there's just too many scary river cards when you're this deep.

As played, whine and call river.
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Old 08-14-2007, 02:09 PM
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Why would you ever think of folding here?
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Old 08-14-2007, 02:10 PM
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what do you think he is doing this with?
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Old 08-14-2007, 02:13 PM
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Why would you ever think of folding here?

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please enlighten me as to what makes this an auto call?
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Old 08-14-2007, 02:16 PM
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Why would you ever think of folding here?

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please enlighten me as to what makes this an auto call?

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the narrowness of the range of hands that beat you, and how unlikely it is that he'd have those in this spot.
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Old 08-14-2007, 02:17 PM
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Why would you ever think of folding here?

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please enlighten me as to what makes this an auto call?

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We have second set in a bvb? And the board is pretty great for our hand.
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Old 08-14-2007, 02:19 PM
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op,

do you think stacks are too deep to 3bet turn?
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Old 08-14-2007, 02:22 PM
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op,

do you think stacks are too deep to 3bet turn?

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only in the sense that I think he could get away from a lot of 2pair hands that I would expect him to value bet on the river. My default is to 3bet but this guy was better then the typical opponent at this level and I was playing much tigher then normal. (post flop).
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Old 08-14-2007, 02:25 PM
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very interesting answer.

what do you think about the board being very drawy on the turn -- 1. doesn't your hand need protection, and 2. how worried are you that a bunch of river cards could cause you to get bluffed off the best hand?

and how important are these factors relative to what you said in your last post?

edit: made this post before seeing your edit
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Old 08-14-2007, 02:36 PM
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very interesting answer.

what do you think about the board being very drawy on the turn -- 1. doesn't your hand need protection, and 2. how worried are you that a bunch of river cards could cause you to get bluffed off the best hand?

and how important are these factors relative to what you said in your last post?

edit: made this post before seeing your edit

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When he raised me on the turn, I felt like his range was heavily 2pair/straight based on the bet sizing, the fact that there was no flush draw on the flop, not having seen him every fast play a combo draw and the tendency of non-2p2rs to just call with combo draws. Basically, I didn't think my hand needed protection and was planning to call any reasonable bet on any river. Also, if you noticed in the 99 hand he bet his set very hard on a drawy board, in this hand his turn raise is on the smaller side indicating (to me) that his hand doesn't need much protection (i.e straight as opposed to 2pair) making shoving even worse.

In general, 2p2rs way overrate the aggression of regular players w/ combo draws.
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