OPS for our resident sabermetricians - Page 2

Quinn Warren · #11 09-12-2006, 10:17 PM

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No, they'd be great...nobody "clogging up the bases"...LOL.

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How does this man have a job? Seriously.

andyfox · #12 09-12-2006, 10:46 PM

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FlyWf · #13 09-13-2006, 12:48 AM

It would depend on the run enviroment. In 2001, no.
In 1968? Yes.

Propertarian · #14 09-13-2006, 02:59 AM

Maybe not...because Ruth had a 1250 ops in the James example I gave, with an O worse than the average O in 1968 in terms of runs per game (pre the insertion of Ruth)...and there was a huge difference in favor of the 1.000 OBP guy.

4 High · #15 09-13-2006, 10:39 AM

I have a friend who told me OPS is not calculated correctly and it should be something like OBPx3 + SLG or something like that. Anyone heard of this?

kyleb · #16 09-13-2006, 12:30 PM

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I have a friend who told me OPS is not calculated correctly and it should be something like OBPx3 + SLG or something like that. Anyone heard of this?

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OPS is On-Base Plus Slugging, so unless someone is adding the numbers up incorrectly, then no, it's not calculated wrong.

However, the validity of OPS is often called into question, since OBP > SLG. The coefficient you are looking for is less than 3, however. Jack of Arcades knows more.

Jack of Arcades · #17 09-13-2006, 01:29 PM

1.8*OBP+SLG correlates very well with team runs scored. If you park adjust it, you're looking at a pretty good approximation of the best stats out there.

Green Kool Aid · #18 09-13-2006, 01:33 PM

i didnt want to start a whole new thread about this but it's a similar idea....

by itself, what is a more relevant stat for player's run production...homers or batting average?

kyleb · #19 09-13-2006, 02:10 PM

Neither are any good. Jeff Francoeur is one of the worst (if not THE worst) right fielders, yet will probably hit 30 HR this year.

Simultaneously, someone who is hitting .300 can be not terribly useful. A statline of .300/.310/.320 is not anything exciting.

However, if you have to choose, I guess I'd pick out batting average (assuming the sample size is large enough). It indicates contact ability, probably some speed, and if the isolated power is bad, it can always be developed. Remember the maxim of power hitting via Billy Beane:

"Power hitters don't turn into good hitters. Good hitters turn into power hitters."

Paraphrased, but you get the idea.