200nl: set with bad turn card

[carrotsnake]

60ish

[pineapple888]

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When you don't hit a set you are left with an under pair out of position in a heads up pot, which is not a spot you want to be in often.

You said in OP you had no reads on the guy. Just curious about the preflop decision.

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In a full-stack game (100BB or more) I don't think I've ever folded a pair to a standard raise preflop. You have some bluff/showdown equity, it's not just sets. When the stacks get shorter, it becomes more read-dependent.

[Nick Royale]

I usually raise a bit more on the flop. 70 and call push on turn.

[Munificence]

I like a 60ish bet here. Looks like it might be a bluff with one diamond. If he did have a big drawing hand on the flop, and call or raises, you still have outs.

[NSM]

chitown that is strong advice re: calling from the blinds w/ the small pair. Would you also consider it a leak to reraise and lead a high card flop (representing an A or K)?

[ajmargarine]

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I usually raise a bit more on the flop. 70 and call push on turn.

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If I'm raising more on the flop, it's with the intent of settin up a turn push.

[chiTown22]

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When you don't hit a set you are left with an under pair out of position in a heads up pot, which is not a spot you want to be in often.

You said in OP you had no reads on the guy. Just curious about the preflop decision.

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In a full-stack game (100BB or more) I don't think I've ever folded a pair to a standard raise preflop. You have some bluff/showdown equity, it's not just sets. When the stacks get shorter, it becomes more read-dependent.

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**standard, nothing is absolute disclaimer**

Your odds of hitting a set is ~7-1 right? (I could be wrong but at least in the ball park)

So that means that around 85% of the time you are going to be out of position here with a pair of fives. I don't see how you could win this pot by showing down the best hand or bluffing the player from out of postion a high enough percentage of the time to make this +EV.

It regards to raising and c-betting a high card flop, I would label this a play you can make against someone you feel is opening light. You would be making a play at the pot not betting for EV.

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When you don't hit a set you are left with an under pair out of position in a heads up pot, which is not a spot you want to be in often.

You said in OP you had no reads on the guy. Just curious about the preflop decision.

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In a full-stack game (100BB or more) I don't think I've ever folded a pair to a standard raise preflop. You have some bluff/showdown equity, it's not just sets. When the stacks get shorter, it becomes more read-dependent.

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**standard, nothing is absolute disclaimer**

Your odds of hitting a set is ~7-1 right? (I could be wrong but at least in the ball park)

So that means that around 85% of the time you are going to be out of position here with a pair of fives. I don't see how you could win this pot by showing down the best hand or bluffing the player from out of postion a high enough percentage of the time to make this +EV.

It regards to raising and c-betting a high card flop, I would label this a play you can make against someone you feel is opening light. You would be making a play at the pot not betting for EV.

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You hit a set 1 out of every 8.5 times, and your implied odds are outstanding in those situations with full stacks. You don't have to stack Villain every time, you can usually get a bet or two out of him. The other ways to win w 55 are just a little added bonus.

I suppose you could identify specific players against whom this is a small leak, but against the general SSNL population I am calling every time.

[carrotsnake]

calling oop with small pp's is a leak HU [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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calling oop with small pp's is a leak HU [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Thanks for your analysis.