kinda crappy flop spot - Page 2

KitCloudkicker · #11 10-01-2007, 02:43 PM

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1st hand the table, i post the BB.

EP raises, 2 callers, I defend with 65.

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If it's 65s--easy call.
If it's 65o--easy fold.

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getting 7:1 i doubt this is an "easy fold."

A3o is an "easy fold." this is borderline call/fold.

KitCloudkicker · #12 10-01-2007, 02:45 PM

alright fwiw i folded. calculating the odds more carefully afterwards i thought i made the wrong decision, but i guess its the right one.

TheCount212 · #13 10-01-2007, 02:53 PM

Crappy spot indeed, Kit. Defending is ok by me, but once we have bottom pair and a gutter we have to depend on either a four-outer or pairing the board with our third 5, and the positional disadvantage + heavy action should force us to the sidelines I think. (Why do I think the flop raiser has 86s?) Just make sure to get up from the table so you don't have to watch the 8 hit =]

Ricks · #14 10-01-2007, 03:57 PM

I would say that you usually have about 4 outs (two for the fives and maybe two for your one card GS) and these are certainly not to the nuts. Some % of the time we are already up against a set and/or we are going to have to put in more than two bets on this flop, especially against an EP pf raiser whose range most likely includes a decent % of OCs.

I wouldn't find it too difficult to let this go.

chesspain · #15 10-01-2007, 05:42 PM

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1st hand the table, i post the BB.

EP raises, 2 callers, I defend with 65.

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If it's 65s--easy call.
If it's 65o--easy fold.

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getting 7:1 i doubt this is an "easy fold."

This is borderline call/fold.

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It's an easy fold if your going to be tempted to chase after a flop like this one.

KitCloudkicker · #16 10-01-2007, 06:07 PM

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1st hand the table, i post the BB.

EP raises, 2 callers, I defend with 65.

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If it's 65s--easy call.
If it's 65o--easy fold.

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getting 7:1 i doubt this is an "easy fold."

This is borderline call/fold.

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It's an easy fold if your going to be tempted to chase after a flop like this one.

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and 65s is thus an easy call?

the flop is a pot odds vs RIO problem, and i guess RIO wins out, thus folding this flop is correct. who cares if i had 65o vs 65s.

if you want to say "65s is an easy call" then i guess you want to make a pot equity argument. but if you want to make such an argument then you're "65o is an easy fold" is no longer valid, as getting 7:1 I have usually have enough equity to call preflop.

HelpWanted0 · #17 10-02-2007, 08:09 PM

Okay, sorry if it comes off as being a troll. 7.5:1 to your money is obviously great odds, however, as the others have said before, if you're going to play this hand, if you hit anything on the flop, you're basically getting the right money no matter what to see the next card.

In situations like this, I would just fold PF. I don't know what your level of play is, but 65 creates such hard decisions, it's just better for beginning-intermediate players to fold.

As played, the flop brings a pretty crazy board. If EP is a normal player, no way do I think he would CBet into 4 players. Looks like this kid probably has an overpair. The raiser can already have you crushed with trip 9s, or 7s, so you may be only drawing to 4 outs or less. Fold.