More controversy -- river bet-call with 3PBK

[veganmav]

I read what you said and I still have no idea why you would wnat to bet this river.

[Nate tha\\\' Great]

I think calling the river raise is probably a bigger mistake than betting the river. I always call down in this kind of spot, hoping to catch some resteal, and always wind up being shown a better hand.

[MATT111]

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I read what you said and I still have no idea why you would wnat to bet this river.

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BT is a calling station. So he calls with a 3 or 4 but doesnt bet it.

[Entity]

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I think calling the river raise is probably a bigger mistake than betting the river. I always call down in this kind of spot, hoping to catch some resteal, and always wind up being shown a better hand.

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What's your line on the river, Nate? Bet-fold, check-fold, check-call?

This was one situation where, for whatever reason, I thought he'd have a monster here sometimes (often KK or AA) or a bluff. Nothing really in-between. Getting 7.75:1 I thought it was close enough to call given that I didn't trust him, and was shown T9o for the missed OESD, but I still think the river play is a pretty close decision overall.

Rob

[Nate tha\\\' Great]

I'd probably bet-fold.

re: the call -- I get what you're saying, but my experience is that opponents just don't bother to do a lot of re-stealing in small, momentumless pots. They probably should, but they don't.

[Trix]

I bet the flop, river and usually the turn too, but think checking is interesting and might be better.

[Surf]

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I bet the flop, river and usually the turn too, but think checking is interesting and might be better.

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I think betting the flop is a mistake.

Surf

[Trix]

I dont have to take it down right there more than 20% or so, you dont think that will happen ?

Edit: err, I know that this alone doesn´t make it better than checking as you aren´t losing the hands just because you check, but I´m going to give up alot if someone bets and it will happen pretty often too, so I think it´s better to lead myself.

[Surf]

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I dont have to take it down right there more than 20% or so, you dont think that will happen ?

Edit: err, I know that this alone doesn´t make it better than checking as you aren´t losing the hands just because you check, but I´m going to give up alot if someone bets and it will happen pretty often too, so I think it´s better to lead myself.

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if you think it's a worthwhile bet b/c you take it down 20% of the time that's fine, but we've turned our pair of 8s into a bluff, which doesn't seem terribly practical since nearly every better hand will call and very few worse ones will.

Surf