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Old 09-02-2007, 05:21 AM
Ship Ship McGipp Ship Ship McGipp is offline
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Default Re: Marginal turn spot w/QQ

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if i thought, for a second, that most nits significantly change there raising range with position, then not 3betting is fine.

but the guy is probably raising 12% of his hands and if we have any sort of laggish image we can probably get him to call with almost all of that 12%. raise pf

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seems like a fairly nonsensical post
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Old 09-02-2007, 05:35 AM
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Default Re: Marginal turn spot w/QQ

Preflop call is fine. UTG will raise less than 12% of his hands and you will likely get more value from hands you beat like 99-JJ by simply smooth-calling.

Flop: When a nit cont bets into that board, he is definitely showing a lot of strength. I would expect his range to include sets, overpairs, and big draws like AKs, AQs, KQs and maybe even TPTK but Idk if this nit opens AJ UTG. If I'm right in his range, then I think you get 3-bet alot on the flop if you raise. I really don't think you can call a 3-bet in this spot anyway, so I would probably call the flop so I don't get blown off my hand.

Turn: Easy fold. Nits don't bluff flushes into two players.
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Old 09-02-2007, 07:08 AM
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Default Re: Marginal turn spot w/QQ

NH if you folded turn.
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Old 09-02-2007, 07:09 AM
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Default Re: Marginal turn spot w/QQ

HAHAHAHHHAHAHAHa 3-bet 111111000000% of the time. plz

Thought aejones was good.
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Old 09-02-2007, 07:21 AM
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Default Re: Marginal turn spot w/QQ

3-bet pre, flop I dont mind the call since you played like this pre, fold turn.
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Old 09-02-2007, 08:18 AM
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Default Re: Marginal turn spot w/QQ

You don't have to ALWAYS 3-bet pre, occasionally flatting is perfectly fine. Flop call is fine and standard on this kind of board given your read, now fold the turn.
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Old 09-02-2007, 08:20 AM
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Default Re: Marginal turn spot w/QQ

turn looks like a pretty easy fold
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Old 09-02-2007, 11:57 AM
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Default Re: Marginal turn spot w/QQ

Discussion of pf/flop is a bit beside the point. FWIW I think you played fine, but main point is turn is easy fold.
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Old 09-02-2007, 02:57 PM
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Default Re: Marginal turn spot w/QQ

ugh, raise pf, raise flop, come on.

I like the flop raise because he bet almost 1/2 pot into 2 players on a drawy board. Wouldn't he want to protect a made hand?
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Old 09-02-2007, 03:00 PM
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Default Re: Marginal turn spot w/QQ

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it gets exhausting to always hear that stuff is terrible, especially when it almost always isn't

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but it is pretty terrible to not 3bet here with QQ.
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