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04-23-2006, 05:22 PM
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Re: What\'s amount of profit is considered \"killing\" 1/2 NL?
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what do you mean by "with your money management" ??? [/ QUOTE ] I see this same stuff in the Psych forum where people always get up and leave when they are winning, but stay when they are losing. That's not a good reason to leave a game, which is money management I was referring to. The only reasons you should leave a game are time restraints, if the game is good or bad for you (could be great and you might be losing), game falls apart, dinner, ect... 
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#12
04-23-2006, 05:24 PM
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Re: What\'s amount of profit is considered \"killing\" 1/2 NL?
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More academic. The pokerroom I play at the 5/10 NL game is mostly regulars that have a reputation of softplay and collusion and honestly not worth playing. [/ QUOTE ] This would suck. Move to LA [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] Lots of variants of NL games. $40, 40-100, 100, 100-200, 300-500, ect.. all sorts of types that you could tailor your game to.
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#13
04-23-2006, 05:42 PM
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Re: What\'s amount of profit is considered \"killing\" 1/2 NL?
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If you really are "killing" 1/2 NL, you will move up to a larger game well before you get a statistically significant sample size to calculate your hourly to a great enough precision for anyone to care. You should look more at bankroll management strategy for moving up and forget your exact hourly. If your question is more academic in nature, you probably won't get a very satisfactory answer since it's not really all that important. [/ QUOTE ] I couldn't agree more. You are never going to get a answer to this question as "killing the game" is a subjective term, i.e. it means something different to everyone. As a general rule the next level up 2/5 or 3/5 will tend to only be different in the ratio of donkeys to decent players. Where at the 1/2 or 1/3 level you can often find 5-7 bad players, you will often find 3-5 bad players at the next level. You generally will not see a significant difference in play until you reach the 5/10 or 10/20 limits. Honestly I can not see why a skilled, thinking player would play 1/2 or 1/3 NL if there is a 2/5 or 3/5 game available. The earn rate is much higher and the level of play is basically the same. Just more money in play. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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#14
04-23-2006, 06:11 PM
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Re: What\'s amount of profit is considered \"killing\" 1/2 NL?
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[ QUOTE ] If you really are "killing" 1/2 NL, you will move up to a larger game well before you get a statistically significant sample size to calculate your hourly to a great enough precision for anyone to care. You should look more at bankroll management strategy for moving up and forget your exact hourly. If your question is more academic in nature, you probably won't get a very satisfactory answer since it's not really all that important. [/ QUOTE ] I couldn't agree more. You are never going to get a answer to this question as "killing the game" is a subjective term, i.e. it means something different to everyone. As a general rule the next level up 2/5 or 3/5 will tend to only be different in the ratio of donkeys to decent players. Where at the 1/2 or 1/3 level you can often find 5-7 bad players, you will often find 3-5 bad players at the next level. You generally will not see a significant difference in play until you reach the 5/10 or 10/20 limits. Honestly I can not see why a skilled, thinking player would play 1/2 or 1/3 NL if there is a 2/5 or 3/5 game available. The earn rate is much higher and the level of play is basically the same. Just more money in play. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] um, in one paragraph you say 1-2 has 5-7 fish per table and 2-5 has 3-5 fish p/t, and then in the next paragraph you say the level of play is basically the same???
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#15
04-23-2006, 08:52 PM
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Re: What\'s amount of profit is considered \"killing\" 1/2 NL?
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[ QUOTE ] I couldn't agree more. You are never going to get a answer to this question as "killing the game" is a subjective term, i.e. it means something different to everyone. As a general rule the next level up 2/5 or 3/5 will tend to only be different in the ratio of donkeys to decent players. Where at the 1/2 or 1/3 level you can often find 5-7 bad players, you will often find 3-5 bad players at the next level. You generally will not see a significant difference in play until you reach the 5/10 or 10/20 limits. Honestly I can not see why a skilled, thinking player would play 1/2 or 1/3 NL if there is a 2/5 or 3/5 game available. The earn rate is much higher and the level of play is basically the same. Just more money in play. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] um, in one paragraph you say 1-2 has 5-7 fish per table and 2-5 has 3-5 fish p/t, and then in the next paragraph you say the level of play is basically the same??? [/ QUOTE ] It is pretty much the same. The only difference is the ratio of donkeys to better players. Rarely will you find anyone that is capable of level 3 thinking, at least until you get to the 5/10+ limits. I think you are overrating or giving too much credit when I say "better" player... The majority of the time the players are not total donkeys are ABC, weak/tight or weak/passive, players. As an example, a donkey will mini-raise UTG with KJo and call a RR and RR-AI with it. A ABC player will not call the RR-AI and likely would have limped with it.
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#16
04-23-2006, 08:53 PM
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Re: What\'s amount of profit is considered \"killing\" 1/2 NL?
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Here in AC all the buy-ins are $300 and I don't consider myself to be "killing" a game unless I'm in the 40-50/hr range. Anything lower is just good. -Yarney [/ QUOTE ] I played at Harrah's on Friday, and the 1/2 NL is $60 min, $200 max buy-in.
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#17
04-23-2006, 08:53 PM
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Re: What\'s amount of profit is considered \"killing\" 1/2 NL?
My GF is absolutely destroying the 1/2nl at Ocean's 11 here in San Diego, but the buyin is only $80. She's running hot, but plays pretty well and the game is insane, and she usually puts in 24+ hour sessions (which I don't understand). Her last 10 visits have been around these numbers:
180,620,0,-80,500,450,150,350,100,200. And I'm being totally serious. PS. She's asian though, so automatically more lucky than me.
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04-23-2006, 09:00 PM
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Re: What\'s amount of profit is considered \"killing\" 1/2 NL?
Haha, I almost mentioned that because I knew someone would correct me. You are correct, max buy-in at Harrahs is only $200. $300 is the standard in AC though.
-Yarney
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#20
04-23-2006, 09:06 PM
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Re: What\'s amount of profit is considered \"killing\" 1/2 NL?
i agree with percula as far as 2/5 imho has much more (more than 2-3x) earning potential than 1/2NL...so there are 1 or 2 less donkeys, the play is still awful...
for live 2/5NL my April hourly rate so far is about $56/hour... on avg I think $50/hr for 2/5NL or 3/5NL or 5/5NL is more than reasonable if you're playing well and not running bad
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