jj turns set , gets check min raised

[Oct0puz]

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Why are we shoving here? What worse hands call and better hands fold?

Set or 2-pair are the only worse hands potentially calling. And those hands are going to be scared of the Turn J just like we are, so I don't see them c/mr and reopening the betting (also don't see them flat calling Flop.)

Maybe the c/mr is a move to try and get us off AK, but doubtful. Unless I have a read on BB, c/mr is not usually a bluff or semi-bluff.

So, given we are probably behind and getting odds to call and have the board pair, why not just take them? Plus if BB has a straight and River brings a club that doesn't pair the board, BB may check and we get a free showdown.

All you people saying shove please explain the thought process behind your play.

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When we call the turn bet we are never folding the river getting 3:1. If he has us beaten he never checks the river anyway. And it's not like we check behind if villain would be stupid enough to check a straight.

[terp]

this can also be a really retardedly played lower set. even if not this is not a fold

[Suwalski]

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All-in. These hands aren't where the difference between 4PTBB and 10PTBB are.

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What sort of hands show the difference betwen 4PTBB and 10PTBB.