strange spot against TWP in limped pot - Page 2

TheWorstPlayer · #11 02-14-2007, 09:59 PM

I dont know. I actually asked LB to post this hand because he tanked and called and when I saw what he called with, I was amazed since I thought that it was an insta-call with that hand. But then I thought about it some more and thought about what can he put me on?

I don't raise preflop, so I probably don't have a pocket pair, although I could have 77-. Or maybe a big pair looked for a LRR. But as he said we dont have that much history, so from his perspective I would just assume that I probably dont have a pocket pair and if I do it is likely to be 55- or maybe 77-.

Then I c/c the flop and it's a pretty dry flop. Basically only draws are 23 and 67. More likely, IMO, to be a one pair hand. But then the turn card, I would usually expect me to bet my one pair hands. He could have picked up a draw on the turn, or I might have hit two pair on the turn, so I would expect me to bet. But I don't. So does that mean I have a hand with a 6 in it that wants to draw (or possibly c/r)? Or did I slowplay a set or two pair on the flop and now I'm trying to c/r the turn?

Then on the river, he didn't bet the turn, so I shouldn't expect him to bet, so if I have a hand like two pair, I would bet almost every time and hope he looks me up with one pair. So I probably don't have two pair. So really it looks like I am either completely bluffing (but then what did I have on the flop) or I have the nuts and hope he either bluffs the river or has a lower straight or two pair. I don't know, just a weird line I decided to take and I wasn't sure really what I would have done against it had I been in his position.

How about if I had bet the river, would you guys raise?

LegallyBlind · #12 02-14-2007, 10:16 PM

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Could someone explain to me why a flop bet is good?

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its a limped pot, i have position. im betting this flop a lot regardless of what i have. when he calls, im not putting in any more money, until i hit two pair on the river..

TWP,
i'm almost sure i would raise a lead on the river

TheWorstPlayer · #13 02-14-2007, 10:29 PM

see, i thought that if i led, you would only raise a straight, or I guess Ts up because otherwise you would have bet the turn. And Ts up was obv a very small part of your range, so I checked to let you bluff or whatever. But then I decided that you might curiosity call a c/r and that you couldnt possibly re-raise with worse, so there you have it. Make sense? or bad?

philipsaurus · #14 02-14-2007, 10:57 PM

twp, i havent played with you recently, and didnt play much with you during the party days, but if i did, id raise T's up all day long.

TheWorstPlayer · #15 02-14-2007, 11:03 PM

yea i'd raise Ts up against me, too. I just didnt think he'd have a hand as strong as Ts up that often, otherwise I would have led out.

amoeba · #16 02-14-2007, 11:05 PM

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yea i'd raise Ts up against me, too. I just didnt think he'd have a hand as strong as Ts up that often, otherwise I would have led out.

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this makes no sense. why would he lead with an 8 or 7?

TheWorstPlayer · #17 02-14-2007, 11:12 PM

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yea i'd raise Ts up against me, too. I just didnt think he'd have a hand as strong as Ts up that often, otherwise I would have led out.

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this makes no sense. why would he lead with an 8 or 7?

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Sorry, this is all very confusing. This is what I meant: I [TWP] would raise Ts up against me [if I were playing LB's hand against myself as the opponent], too. I [TWP] just didn't think that he [LB] would have as strong a hand as Ts up that often, otherwise I [TWP, with my hand in this hand] would have led out on the river.

Clearer?

Edit: Sorry, maybe you understood that and just don't see why I would raise Ts up? I figured that would be obvious - to get value from worse two pair (one pair?)

LegallyBlind · #18 02-14-2007, 11:23 PM

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yea i'd raise Ts up against me, too. I just didnt think he'd have a hand as strong as Ts up that often, otherwise I would have led out.

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nah, i think the c/r is better than leading, since

a) in this spot any hand im willing to call a river lead with, im betting when checked to. in fact there may even be a hand or two that i would bet but not call a bet.

b) after the flop and turn action, im rarely gonna bluff at this pot, but the chance of me bluffing is infinitly greater if checked to than led at.

c) im not calling a river 3-bet with my hand, so your essentially making the same amount with a c/r as a b/r/rr. and the c/r is just better from a metagame standpoint since im less likely to pounce on weakness the next time we are in some gay ass limped blind v blind battle. just RAISE ME OFF MY BLLIND YOU [censored]

jk,
--nh

TheWorstPlayer · #19 02-14-2007, 11:27 PM

next time i'll raise/push. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

jay b. · #20 02-16-2007, 02:25 AM

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How about if I had bet the river, would you guys raise?

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For sure, probably a big raise since it'd be hard to represent a range w/ our turn check - getting more suspicious 1 pair calls, ontop of the 2pair calls we beat that whiffed a turn c/r.

Your river c/r at first feels like it wants a 1 pair call, so I'd have to call it since we beat a whole [censored] load of wierd 1 pair, bad 2 pair hands.