Passively played tpgk

[Jay Riall]

Someone give a range of hands for how he plays flop/turn, and then think about what hands call a value-bet or shove over one on this river and what hands are going to call a check-shove on the river.

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Someone give a range of hands for how he plays flop/turn, and then think about what hands call a value-bet or shove over one on this river and what hands are going to call a check-shove on the river.

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It might help if YOU give US hand ranges since you've played with him a lot.

I really don't get your river check. Do you believe he never has a K here? He's checking down SO many hands that might call some sort of a bet and probably giving up on every bluff as well. If you think this is otherwise, then you pretty much know what you're doing anyway, don't you?

[Jay Riall]

The only other K he can have is KJ (may even fold that pf) and another KQ imo. I don't really think he can call a river bet with KJ and its a small part of his range anyway. I just think that most of the time the line he's taken is nuts or air.

[deaders]

air, flush draws, worse kings, sets. I check call.

[Abramovic]

Matt thinks 3 streets = nuts/air right?

In that case C/C is the option.

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The only other K he can have is KJ (may even fold that pf) and another KQ imo. I don't really think he can call a river bet with KJ and its a small part of his range anyway. I just think that most of the time the line he's taken is nuts or air.

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And what's his air-to-nuts ratio? Are you c/c'ing or c/f'ing this? And if you say "c/c obviously," then your post has nothing to do with the river, does it?

[Jay Riall]

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The only other K he can have is KJ (may even fold that pf) and another KQ imo. I don't really think he can call a river bet with KJ and its a small part of his range anyway. I just think that most of the time the line he's taken is nuts or air.

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And what's his air-to-nuts ratio? Are you c/c'ing or c/f'ing this? And if you say "c/c obviously," then your post has nothing to do with the river, does it?

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No idea the ratio, but I'm not thinking of folding, I just want to know the best line to extract without making bets that only get called by a better hand.

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The only other K he can have is KJ (may even fold that pf) and another KQ imo. I don't really think he can call a river bet with KJ and its a small part of his range anyway. I just think that most of the time the line he's taken is nuts or air.

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And what's his air-to-nuts ratio? Are you c/c'ing or c/f'ing this? And if you say "c/c obviously," then your post has nothing to do with the river, does it?

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No idea the ratio, but I'm not thinking of folding, I just want to know the best line to extract without making bets that only get called by a better hand.

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I think this line is fine once in a while vs. a strong aggro regular opponent, but not too often otherwise he will (or at least should) start raising your CBets with air a lot more.

[carrotsnake]

bet 35 or 50, call a shove

[goofyballer]

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How often do you check the flop OOP after raising pre against this guy? Does he float you or raise your cbets a lot? That kind of history has a huge impact on whether your flop play is good or not.

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