Should God Make Sense? - Page 2

Sephus · #11 07-26-2007, 02:24 AM

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so you agree the answer is "nothing" then?

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Read it again.

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please just explain how it answers the question so we don't waste time talking about different things.

NotReady · #12 07-26-2007, 02:28 AM

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please just explain how it answers the question so we don't waste time talking about different things.

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As a child can understand some of what his parents tell him without knowing everything they know...

knowledgeORbust · #13 07-26-2007, 02:32 AM

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<font color="blue">The only way to approach God seems to be "I'm open to the possibility." </font>

This makes sense. I'm open to the "possibility of God" as well.

<font color="blue">"God doesn't make sense to us yet" is reasonable. </font>

But I don't think this follows, nor is it reasonable. Hopefully, you see why.

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Um, I think so.

I meant it like: theoretically, science might be able to interpret an existing God. "Yet" implies we WILL one day know God, and I understand that we may not; or that WE is an entire new species and that h. sapiens may not.

knowledgeORbust · #14 07-26-2007, 02:34 AM

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Loc: Nature's law is God's thought.

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Now is this literal or metaphorical?

Like, I understand the value of this in explaining the universe. It's a valuable concept. But, for you, NR, is this THE WAY things are and your conviction for God unrelenting?

NotReady · #15 07-26-2007, 02:41 AM

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But, for you, NR, is this THE WAY things are and your conviction for God unrelenting?

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Matthew 10:29
" Are not two sparrows sold for a cent? And yet not one of them will fall to the ground apart from your Father.

Colossians 1:16
For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible,

John 1

1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2He was in the beginning with God.
3All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

Sephus · #16 07-26-2007, 02:52 AM

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please just explain how it answers the question so we don't waste time talking about different things.

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As a child can understand some of what his parents tell him without knowing everything they know...

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i don't see how that has anything to do with the question, which is about whether god could successfully deceive you if he wanted to.

NotReady · #17 07-26-2007, 02:56 AM

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which is about whether god could successfully deceive you if he wanted to.

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He can successfully deceive you if He wants to. What distinguishes Him is He doesn't lie, though He will allow you to deceive yourself.

Sephus · #18 07-26-2007, 03:27 AM

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which is about whether god could successfully deceive you if he wanted to.

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He can successfully deceive you if He wants to. What distinguishes Him is He doesn't lie, though He will allow you to deceive yourself.

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ugh. when i say

"what makes an (omnipotent) god who wants people to believe things that are true distinguishable from a god who wants people to believe things that are false?"

i'm not asking "what's the difference between the two things." i'm asking how a human can tell the difference.

since you agree that god could deceive me if he wanted to, i have no way of telling the difference between a god who is deceptive and one who isn't.

since i can't tell the difference by looking at any sort of evidence, i have to rely on what sort of god "makes sense" to me.

NotReady · #19 07-26-2007, 04:26 AM

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since you agree that god could deceive me if he wanted to, i have no way of telling the difference between a god who is deceptive and one who isn't.

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Yes you do. His Word is truth. Jesus is the way, the truth and the life.

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since i can't tell the difference by looking at any sort of evidence, i have to rely on what sort of god "makes sense" to me.

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No, you look at the evidence. Your question, can He deceive you, is yes in terms of His power, if He wanted to, but not it's not true in terms of His character, He doesn't want to. He can't lie. But He might let you deceive yourself.

Sephus · #20 07-26-2007, 05:48 AM

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No, you look at the evidence.

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i can't look at the evidence to decide whether god is deceiving me if god is in control of all the evidence!

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Your question, can He deceive you, is yes in terms of His power, if He wanted to, but not it's not true in terms of His character, He doesn't want to. He can't lie.

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could he deceive you about his character?

the question is about whether there is reason to doubt. you're trying to use the conclusion "there is no reason to doubt" as evidence that there is no reason to doubt!