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Old 11-26-2006, 07:39 PM
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Default Re: my friend and i are arguing: $22 180 person 17 remaining players

Its sort of one of those things where you both may be right.

If im making a bit of an overpush i would prefer to have a hand with some showdown value. On the other hand if the players are tight and likely to fold its certainly not bad.

Like adanthar just said though the bubble just burst so these tight players might suddenly loosen up on you.

its one of those things not worth having a huge argument over because neither of you are definitely right/wrong.
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Old 11-26-2006, 10:27 PM
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Default Re: my friend and i are arguing: $22 180 person 17 remaining players

I think this is a better push if they are soooooooooted.
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Old 11-26-2006, 10:33 PM
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Default Re: my friend and i are arguing: $22 180 person 17 remaining players

shortstack, while until any pay jump, you should be looking for any reason to put your chips in
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Old 11-26-2006, 10:52 PM
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Default Re: my friend and i are arguing: $22 180 person 17 remaining players

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I think this is a better push if they are soooooooooted.

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I think its a better push if he has aces, but thats kinda not the point
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Old 11-27-2006, 02:26 AM
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Default Re: my friend and i are arguing: $22 180 person 17 remaining players

easy push.

The blinds are both small stacks; this decreases their chance of a call with marginal hands (AJ-/99-) if it gets through the LP guys
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Old 11-27-2006, 02:28 AM
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Old 11-27-2006, 03:57 AM
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Default Re: my friend and i are arguing: $22 180 person 17 remaining players

I've been working on IQM using SitNgoWizard - you'd be surprised what hands you should push with. I'm at work and don't have access to it right now but I'll bet it's a push.
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Old 11-27-2006, 04:04 AM
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I've been working on IQM using SitNgoWizard - you'd be surprised what hands you should push with. I'm at work and don't have access to it right now but I'll bet it's a push.

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You do realise you can't just plug MTT hands into that, since its based on 50/30/20 payouts. But yeah, i can't see this push ever being -EV with the reads he provided. People folding here most likely are too tight
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Old 11-27-2006, 04:23 AM
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Default Re: my friend and i are arguing: $22 180 person 17 remaining players

Seriously this push is terrible I can't really ever imagine it being +ev even against super nitty calling ranges. I mean seriously even the nittiest of nits have to be calling something like AJ+ 88+ maybe I'm wrong... but I find it hard to believe people are calling as tight as the op suggests. More importantly chances are you will find a better spot before the blinds hit.
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Old 11-27-2006, 05:42 AM
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I've been working on IQM using SitNgoWizard - you'd be surprised what hands you should push with. I'm at work and don't have access to it right now but I'll bet it's a push.

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You do realise you can't just plug MTT hands into that, since its based on 50/30/20 payouts. But yeah, i can't see this push ever being -EV with the reads he provided. People folding here most likely are too tight

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Sure, you can't plug the numbers in, but you can do IQM calculations. Assume you get called half the time, which I think is a bit high. when they fold, you win the blinds and antes. the other half of the time, they call and you probably only win something like a third of the time, but when you win, you win the blinds, plus double your stack. when you weigh those equities, it probably ends up being a push.
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