NL25 QQ-fold this turn?

[machine]

fold equity lol against what, your not folding any better hands than yours. Secondly your equity is probably bad i dont fair very well against villans range.

[DawnToDusk]

Maybe I my advice didn't come off as I wanted it. Maybe it still won't even after this. You flopped an overpair to a relatively unknown opponent. You have 65 hands on him and as far as I know you don't have any reads on him other than your PT stats. The turn didn't improve him so with all that being said why aren't we shoving? Ya you could be behind but as far as I can tell you don't know what worse hands he calls with here. If you do know that he doesn't call with worse hands here then I guess you can fold.

Do you have any other info like reads? With just your PT stats from the OP I am shoving this.

[machine]

no other reads

[DawnToDusk]

Exactly. Maybe you're just more conservative than I am when it comes to these situations, which is fine. Remember we are playing micro stakes. There are certainly good players here at these stakes but you don't think some player can call you in position with AT or KTs or something along those hands and take this line against you?

[machine]

Oh no im not argueing that, yes i think they could i just think thats prob the only part of villans range i beat. Assuming his range is AA/KK/JJ/TT/88/33/108/J9/A10/K10 bluff i can beat 5 but i think bluff and K10 are a smaller part of his range. i think im maybe 35-40% here with no overlay really that was my thinking.

[machine]

any other views? i hate 3 betting and i hate folding the flop, is this akward? :P

[Makonnen]

I'm with DawnToDusk on this one. I think that, esp. with vill's aggro of 3.5, you can either rr/f the flop, or crai the turn.
<font class="small">Code:</font><hr /><pre>Board: Tc 8s 3h 5s

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 56.287% 55.64% 00.65% 1885 22.00 { QcQh }
Hand 1: 43.713% 43.06% 00.65% 1459 22.00 { TT+, 88, 33, ATs, KTs, J9s, T8s, ATo, KTo, J9o, T8o }
</pre><hr />
I would also add 99 to his range, which increases your equity somewhat. And, AsKs isn't out of the question. Adding those two makes it virtually 60/40.

[AlexB182]

My experience says: more often than not, you're behind here. I'd call the minraise on the flop and when he bets out on turn, he has a set most of the time. Wouldn't put him on AA or KK, even passive players might have reraised those PF. Minraising with somethink like AT or KT on this board would be a very strange play, especially for him with this stats.
So, I'm really not playing frightened normally, but without proper reads on villain, I just fold here on the turn and go on with the next hand.

[machine]

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My experience says: more often than not, you're behind here. I'd call the minraise on the flop and when he bets out on turn, he has a set most of the time. Wouldn't put him on AA or KK, even passive players might have reraised those PF. Minraising with somethink like AT or KT on this board would be a very strange play, especially for him with this stats.
So, I'm really not playing frightened normally, but without proper reads on villain, I just fold here on the turn and go on with the next hand.

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LOL your the first person who had the same thought process as me . Oh well.

[AlexB182]

LOL. Maybe we're just timid little girls [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]