NL100 bind defense vs 1p0kerboy. Am I weak-tight?

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pokerboy, AJ beats your range in this hand, no?

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its still a bad hand to RR with

[zman2245]

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pokerboy, AJ beats your range in this hand, no?

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its still a bad hand to RR with

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Would you fold or call? I'm a little confused - most people in this post have agreed pokerboys range is huge here. So we def. aren't folding correct? I guess RR with AJ OOP is bad since we don't want a big pot with it...

[Jeff76]

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If I C/R, I can put him to a decision, and it's an easy fold if he re-raises my C/R.

[/ QUOTE ]I think this is a pretty bad line. If he bets $20 into a $26 pot and you minraise (which you probably wouldn't do- you'd bet more) to $40, and then he pushes you are going to have to call $37 into a $140 pot. Can you really fold at that point getting almost 4:1?

[mikes007]

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it's an easy fold if he re-raises my C/R.


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c/r the flop then folding to the shove is absolutely terrible

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You know what? You are absolutely correct. If I check, and pokerboy bets around $20, and I raise to $60, I CANNOT fold for another $10. I dunno what I was thinking.

In general though, is it wrong to C/R TPTK sometimes in order to protect my flop checks? Or should I only C/R with monsters and/or big draws?

EDIT: Jeff read my mind.

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pokerboy, AJ beats your range in this hand, no?

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its still a bad hand to RR with

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Would you fold or call? I'm a little confused - most people in this post have agreed pokerboys range is huge here. So we def. aren't folding correct? I guess RR with AJ OOP is bad since we don't want a big pot with it...

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there are better hands to rr him with

I play against him a fair bit so Im not going to say what I RR here vs him, but AJo is a bad hand to RR(if he's really getting out of line fine, but its a terrible RR hand in general especially OOP), I think calling sucks too

[Jeff76]

Basically, I think if you are going to do this PF (which I can't decide what I think- I basically just stay out of PB's way most of the time, which is not difficult to do), then plan on going broke on this flop. I'd lead for $20 and call a shove/push the turn.

I don't like the c/r because he has no real reason to bet into you, the pot is big, and there are lots of cards you don't want to see on the turn.

[jhill3535]

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pokerboy, AJ beats your range in this hand, no?

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AJ is way better than his button opening range IMO

568,484,928 games 0.015 secs 37,898,995,200 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 58.125% 55.17% 02.96% 313612488 16822098.00 { AhJd }
Hand 1: 41.875% 38.92% 02.96% 221228244 16822098.00 { 22+, A2s+, K8s+, Q9s+, J9s+, T9s, 98s, 87s, 76s, 65s, A2o+, KTo+, QTo+, JTo }

But it is crushed by his 3-bet calling range

133,559,712 games 0.005 secs 26,711,942,400 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 35.061% 32.93% 02.13% 43981352 2845887.50 { AhJd }
Hand 1: 64.939% 62.81% 02.13% 83886585 2845887.50 { 66+, AJs+, KQs, AQo+ }

Opening range represents about 30% of all hands, calling range represents about 7% of all hands.

Basically he will be folding 75% of the hands that he is opening with, so 75% of the time you win $5.50. The other 25% of the time you are a 35/65 dog in a $26.50 pot with equity of $9.275 of which you just put in an additional $12, so 25% of the time you lose $2.725. The total EV = .75*5.5-.25*2.725 = 4.125-0.68125 = +3.44375

The reraise is clearly +EV against his range if we have his 3-bet calling range correct, and we play perfectly post flop.

If we always give up post flop when he calls, we will win $5.50 75% of the time and lose $12 25% of the time $5.50*.75-$12*.25 = $4.125 - $3.00 = $1.125.

This last calculation shows that if this is an accurate 3-bet calling range for PB, then we can profitably reraise him with ATC, even if we always give up when he calls our 3-bet. (This assumes that he doesn't adjust his 3-bet calling range against us.)

[zman2245]

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pokerboy, AJ beats your range in this hand, no?

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its still a bad hand to RR with

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Would you fold or call? I'm a little confused - most people in this post have agreed pokerboys range is huge here. So we def. aren't folding correct? I guess RR with AJ OOP is bad since we don't want a big pot with it...

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there are better hands to rr him with

I play against him a fair bit so Im not going to say what I RR here vs him, but AJo is a bad hand to RR(if he's really getting out of line fine, but its a terrible RR hand in general especially OOP), I think calling sucks too

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So your range for calling/raising here is AQ+ when button has open-raised? Or am I missing something? Maybe I just don't know pokerboy that much. I know every situation is player-dependent and everything but aren't we just giving blinds away? Yes, blinds aren't that much but it still seems to be +EV to play AJ here. Sorry, don't mean to get into an argument with you bottomset - I know your a regular poster and I like alot of the advice you give - just really interested in this situation.

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pokerboy, AJ beats your range in this hand, no?

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its still a bad hand to RR with

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Would you fold or call? I'm a little confused - most people in this post have agreed pokerboys range is huge here. So we def. aren't folding correct? I guess RR with AJ OOP is bad since we don't want a big pot with it...

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there are better hands to rr him with

I play against him a fair bit so Im not going to say what I RR here vs him, but AJo is a bad hand to RR(if he's really getting out of line fine, but its a terrible RR hand in general especially OOP), I think calling sucks too

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So your range for calling/raising here is AQ+ when button has open-raised? Or am I missing something? Maybe I just don't know pokerboy that much. I know every situation is player-dependent and everything but aren't we just giving blinds away? Yes, blinds aren't that much but it still seems to be +EV to play AJ here. Sorry, don't mean to get into an argument with you bottomset - I know your a regular poster and I like alot of the advice you give - just really interested in this situation.

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no, my range is wide, its just AJo plays terrible in this spot, so I raise other hands instead as bluffs

[zman2245]

ok thanks I think I see why now