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Old 05-11-2007, 08:35 AM
Soulman Soulman is offline
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Default Re: Low M late in a MTT - call push with 77?

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For me it depends on the read, most players at the $1 tournies are donkies waiting for good hands so have no regard for M. If he's a good player he could have any 2.


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Where they regard a good hand as A2o obv.

OP, try to put UTG on a range and plug it into PokerStove, based on reads or PT stats if you have those. Honestly I can't really say what a default range is in these buy-ins here...
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Old 05-11-2007, 09:49 AM
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Default Re: Low M late in a MTT - call push with 77?

Push by the time you get in good position to push at the blinds you won't have enough chips to push anyone out of the pot.
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Old 05-11-2007, 09:57 AM
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Default Re: Low M late in a MTT - call push with 77?

I think now you have to push, but due to the nature of this type of game, you're probably gonna get called by and Ax and I've seen Kx quite often too. I think if you could've, you should've found a spot earlier on when you could have done more damage and also had considerably more fold equity so you could pick up the blinds too.
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Old 05-11-2007, 11:10 AM
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Default Re: Low M late in a MTT - call push with 77?

Push. This is one of the better spots you can hope for in this situation.
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Old 05-11-2007, 12:37 PM
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Default Re: Low M late in a MTT - call push with 77?

after an utg push and an utg+1 over push the rest of the table will be getting out of the way unless you run into a monster. Utg is so short he could be pushing any big cards or any A here. I think you're like 3-1, or flipping at worst. Time to double
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Old 05-12-2007, 07:32 PM
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Default Re: Low M late in a MTT - call push with 77?

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FOLD
UTG+1,M is low but average for your table.
You don't know who else is going to freak out after you and call behind you. Your position is not good to call.

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You have 3000 chips,blinds 200/400. In 2 hands you are BB (or in 1 hand if utg goes out here). Likelihood of getting a playable hand in either of the blinds is maybe 10-20%. Next hand when you have position from button, you will be down to 2300, blind may already be 600 at this point and there is no guarantee that you will get first in vigorish later or a playable hand. You don't think UTG knows that he is in the bb next hand? He's shoving any 2 sooted any A and any pocket pair. His range is pretty wide. REMEMBER there are 13 players left 1) that means your table is either 6 or 7 handed, so that slims the chances of a call behind a little 2) you have little chance of just limping into the money if that is your concern 3) a double through right here gives you a real shot at 1st place money.

Why are you ever thinking of folding a mid pocket with 7bb stack?

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Maybe I misread something-not the first time
He says it is 7handed, he is UTG1 so he there are 3hands after this one until his blinds (?)and all at table sitting in red zone. Chances are anyone with a decent hand is gonna call. Meh-it sounded like a fold to my nitty self
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Old 05-13-2007, 12:10 AM
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Default Re: Low M late in a MTT - call push with 77?

poooooooosh
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Old 05-13-2007, 12:14 AM
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Default Re: Low M late in a MTT - call push with 77?

Funny enough, nearly this same spot came up for me yesterday.

I stuck it in. You should too. And it's really not that close.
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Old 05-13-2007, 12:17 AM
Harv72b Harv72b is offline
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Default Re: Low M late in a MTT - call push with 77?

Doesn't where the bubble is matter in this decision? Or is that common knowledge & I'm uncommon? I haven't gone this deep in a Stars MTT in, well, I think ever.

I'm just saying, while Hero is at ~5 BBs left & probably stacks up well against UTG's shoving range, if there are several other short-stacks left might it be advantageous to wait, if another bustout or two will move him up the ladder?
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Old 05-13-2007, 12:25 AM
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Default Re: Low M late in a MTT - call push with 77?

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Doesn't where the bubble is matter in this decision? Or is that common knowledge & I'm uncommon? I haven't gone this deep in a Stars MTT in, well, I think ever.

I'm just saying, while Hero is at ~5 BBs left & probably stacks up well against UTG's shoving range, if there are several other short-stacks left might it be advantageous to wait, if another bustout or two will move him up the ladder?

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really doesn't sound like you read the rest of the thread
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