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Old 04-14-2007, 05:38 PM
Ansky Ansky is offline
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Default Re: hand vs durrrr, top pair deep HU

ok if we can play busto stakes cause i have like 7 dollars and 67 cents online right now.
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Old 04-14-2007, 06:08 PM
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Default Re: hand vs durrrr, top pair deep HU

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im confused by your comments on the two prior hands you posted. both look like straight up value plays to me.

as to the hand, obv it is a close spot. prolly a fold though. hand simply isn't going to be good often enough here, and durr can show up w/ KQ here.

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I think this is pretty much spot on. Those two hands look like valuetown and he probably knows/has seen you make some hero calls before.

I could probably reason a call on the river as he is playing lower and probably realizes that you are playing a bit higher (tho maybe people look him up lighter as a general rule, i'm not familiar enough with his game to really say). I could def reason a call, but folding is prob the best play.
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Old 04-14-2007, 06:10 PM
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Default Re: hand vs durrrr, top pair deep HU

The Q6s is def a value bet by Durr I can't imagine it being a bluff.

The QQ hand is closer but I'm still pretty sure its thin value I don't think he expects you to fold KK there especially with his image.

For this hand its pretty close I think I fold because he def value shoves KQ+ but he's not value shoving many worse hands.
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Old 04-14-2007, 07:20 PM
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For this hand its pretty close I think I fold because he def value shoves KQ+ but he's not value shoving many worse hands.

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fine, but what about bluffing? how frequently is he bluffing here? it's a big call to make on the river.
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Old 04-14-2007, 07:27 PM
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Default Re: hand vs durrrr, top pair deep HU

the fact that this is durrr makes trying to analyze this near impossible doesnt it? i mean the other hands u showed make this seem like a call but durrr knows that ur thinking this is a call so shouldnt he have better? or maybe hes thinking that ur thinking that and then this is on like the sixth level and too hard to discuss without being in the exact flow of the match against a player of this caliber
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Old 04-14-2007, 08:47 PM
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Default Re: hand vs durrrr, top pair deep HU

i agree with what has been said before. also if you notice the size of the bet, it's actually somewhat bigger than the others relative to the pot. i think durr shows up with a 7 or an overpair or AQ much more often than a KQ type hand (and given that much more than worse queens)... and given QT is also ahead, i don't know how you can profitably call this river - his range of hands that beat you is just too wide and you literally beat only 5% of value bets.

if you just think he's bluffing a lot, well it was you playing him, not us. but if you're using the thin value bets to sway this to a call, then this is a fold. durr is not value betting a worse hand with this size bet on this board almost ever.
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Old 04-14-2007, 08:58 PM
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Default Re: hand vs durrrr, top pair deep HU

no way i call this river.. this looks like a simple value shove knowing you know he's in light-mode..

he probably also knows you're looking to get to a showdown
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Old 04-15-2007, 01:55 AM
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i havent seen anyone mention what your river range might be here at all...
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Old 04-15-2007, 02:10 AM
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i havent seen anyone mention what your river range might be here at all...

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durrr!!!!!!!!
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Old 04-15-2007, 08:45 AM
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Default Re: hand vs durrrr, top pair deep HU

ermmm...
Is it just -EV to play durrr HU, so you wouldnt be in this spot
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