4/8 2 Pair hand, OOP, Live

[James.]

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I do like to go to showdown a bit more early in a session out of the belief that the more I make people showdown, the sooner I can make reads that I can exploit

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i agree with this general strategy. not checking this flop or turn, but this particular point in quotes.

[Joe Tall]

This is a live game, just call down.

[Frond]

I agree that callng down is best here.

Had a sim hadn the other day with AQo where I floppped 2 pair with a 5 out as well on the board, I lead out SB calls as well as several others, SB leads into me when another 5 hits on the turn nad I just call down. He of course had A5o and won but we are good here enough with live players to justify calls most of the time unless it is an awfully solid read of someone or have played with. At least we usually have outs with our 2 pair hands cause there is usually enough money in the pot to continue to try and boat up.

[AlienBoy]

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This is a live game, just call down.

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Wow - okay - I did indeed call down, but I have been concerned that I'm leaking here.

Thanks Joe, and the rest of you, for your comments.

AB

[xktang]

he usllaly have 89 off suit.

[StrictlyStrategy]

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if i hit a Jack or 7 i go to war.

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Really?

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uh, yeah. what do you put her on? if she has a 4(most likely holding) she'll payoff with her boat. most live players have a 4 here a majority of the time. if we weren't getting overlay from the pot to calldown we could probably fold. given that there is additional money to win, we calldown for the occasional time she gets goofy.

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This is a live game, just call down.

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Yeah, when I said calls down, it's calls, but second option is 3bet, not fold. Against a live player it just makes life a lot easier to just call down. I think betting the river is pretty hawt because she'll never check behind with a four, she might check a Jack, and she probably won't raise most fours.

[James.]

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if i hit a Jack or 7 i go to war.

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Really?

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uh, yeah. what do you put her on? if she has a 4(most likely holding) she'll payoff with her boat. most live players have a 4 here a majority of the time. if we weren't getting overlay from the pot to calldown we could probably fold. given that there is additional money to win, we calldown for the occasional time she gets goofy.

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doh! nh.

[Gauge]

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This is a live game, just call down.

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Might be an obvious question but whats the relevance of this? Is it that online the odds of someone multitabling and just raising a made hand are way more likely?

[One Outer]

I call down here against an unknown, even a fat old female unknown, and I feel dirty about it but it can't be helped. If I had any sort of read I could find a fold. I can think of some players I play with on a regular basis I could fold this to.

NH, sorry she has a four.

Interesting side question, assuming you don't raise AJo pf in this spot, how do you play just TPTK? Are we still calling down or is that an easier turn fold? I would lean towards folding.

[SNOWBALL]

Just call. and CC every river UI.