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#11
07-17-2007, 02:50 PM
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Re: If we pulled out of Iraq immediately...
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Osama bin Laden is just a figurehead. It is the movement of Islamic Fundamentalists that is the problem. And the vast majority of those guys are in Saudi Arabia and the border areas between Afghanistan and Pakistan. [/ QUOTE ] I believe that we should ramp up pressure on Pakistan as well, and pursue military options if necessary. But just because there are terrorists in other regions does not mean we should give the terrorists in Iraq a free pass. 
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07-17-2007, 02:51 PM
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Re: If we pulled out of Iraq immediately...
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[ QUOTE ] I don't understand the question. The american army is an occupying force. They are the bad guys. What does OBL or whomever have to do with this? [/ QUOTE ] First of all, Saddam Hussein was the occupying force in Iraq for decades until we liberated the Iraqi people from his reign of terror. Saddam is the one who ordered gas attacks on innocent civilians. [/ QUOTE ] Here's a little history for you: The West has drawn the country lines of Iraq. They instituted Saddam, they supplied him weapons and supported him all through his killings. Then they started sanctions which killed hundreds of thousands. 'Liberating the Iraqi people'; R U serious? [ QUOTE ] Secondly, you tell me what OBL has to do with this. I'm not sure if you are among them, but there is a large group of people in this forum who make excuses for the terrorist attacks of 9/11 by saying that US foreign policy is to blame for the attacks. [/ QUOTE ] Hahaha. I'm saying it's an inside job. Just like 1993 WTC attacks. Listen to this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9vD9kRULsc (first 6 minutes or so).
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07-17-2007, 02:52 PM
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Re: If we pulled out of Iraq immediately...
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I don't understand the question. The american army is an occupying force. They are the bad guys. What does OBL or whomever have to do with this? [/ QUOTE ] If Saddam was really a threat to the world and the most evil dictator in the world would all occupational forces in Iraq still be "the bad guys" -even if there genuine goal was in the interest of democratic Iraqi opinion and their well-being? Providing you are an ACist I assume you think ALL occupation forces are the "bad guys" by nature but putting your pipe-dreams aside ( I am putting my anarchistic philosophy aside)~ can you acknwoledge that in the current climate/framework occupation forces can be "good"?
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07-17-2007, 02:53 PM
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Re: If we pulled out of Iraq immediately...
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Hahaha. I'm saying it's an inside job. Just like 1993 WTC attacks. Listen to this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9vD9kRULsc (first 6 minutes or so). [/ QUOTE ] Wow, so you are conspiracy theorist? Come on MAN! Be sensible!
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07-17-2007, 02:54 PM
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I think the US would have to stop arming the Israelis and supporting their occupation of Palestine for that to happen. [/ QUOTE ] Seriously OP what is your point? they declared jihad or whatever before we invaded iraq, why would they cancel it when we leave? And do you think people advocating leaving iraq are doing it to appease the terrorists or something? Wait you probably do.
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07-17-2007, 02:56 PM
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Re: If we pulled out of Iraq immediately...
" Saddam is the one who ordered gas attacks on innocent civilians. It's not our fault that Iran, Al Qaeda, and the former Sunni ruling elite are doing everything in their power to cause chaos and make America look bad. "
Well, when you prop up Sadaam and send him weapons, money and yes even biological agents, when you fund the people who turned into Al-Qaeda and when you over throw the democratically elected government in Iran, subverting the first Muslim democracy in the middle east, I would say you bear some of the responsibility.
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07-17-2007, 02:59 PM
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Re: If we pulled out of Iraq immediately...
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[ QUOTE ] I don't understand the question. The american army is an occupying force. They are the bad guys. What does OBL or whomever have to do with this? [/ QUOTE ] If Saddam was really a threat to the world and the most evil dictator in the world would all occupational forces in Iraq still be "the bad guys" -even if there genuine goal was in the interest of democratic Iraqi opinion and their well-being? Providing you are an ACist I assume you think ALL occupation forces are the "bad guys" by nature but putting your pipe-dreams aside ( I am putting my anarchistic philosophy aside)~ can you acknwoledge that in the current climate/framework occupation forces can be "good"? [/ QUOTE ] This is mostly my position: CBC Hot Type, Evan Solomon interviews Noam Chomsky on his book 9-11 http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...5487&hl=nl (40 minutes, very eye-opening) "NC: I respond to that by saying that there are many evil forces in the world. If we want to stop atrocities, I think it's a great idea to reduce the level of atrocities and violence around the world. The easiest way to do it, simple, is to stop participating in it. If we stop participating in it, we will already reduce the levels of atrocities and violence enormously."
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07-17-2007, 03:06 PM
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Re: If we pulled out of Iraq immediately...
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[ QUOTE ] Hahaha. I'm saying it's an inside job. Just like 1993 WTC attacks. Listen to this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9vD9kRULsc (first 6 minutes or so). [/ QUOTE ] Wow, so you are conspiracy theorist? Come on MAN! Be sensible! [/ QUOTE ] Yes, let's. 
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07-17-2007, 03:08 PM
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Re: If we pulled out of Iraq immediately...
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I don't understand the question. The american army is an occupying force. They are the bad guys. What does OBL or whomever have to do with this? [/ QUOTE ] If Saddam was really a threat to the world and the most evil dictator in the world would all occupational forces in Iraq still be "the bad guys" -even if there genuine goal was in the interest of democratic Iraqi opinion and their well-being? Providing you are an ACist I assume you think ALL occupation forces are the "bad guys" by nature but putting your pipe-dreams aside ( I am putting my anarchistic philosophy aside)~ can you acknwoledge that in the current climate/framework occupation forces can be "good"? [/ QUOTE ] This is mostly my position: CBC Hot Type, Evan Solomon interviews Noam Chomsky on his book 9-11 http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...5487&hl=nl (40 minutes, very eye-opening) "NC: I respond to that by saying that there are many evil forces in the world. If we want to stop atrocities, I think it's a great idea to reduce the level of atrocities and violence around the world. The easiest way to do it, simple, is to stop participating in it. If we stop participating in it, we will already reduce the levels of atrocities and violence enormously." [/ QUOTE ] Thanks for the link- I will definetly watch this. Last night I watched a Chomsky Q&A video feed at Sussex University which is also very interesting; and he mentions 9/11 and the invalidity of 9/11 being an "inside job"
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#20
07-17-2007, 03:13 PM
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Re: If we pulled out of Iraq immediately...
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Thanks for the link- I will definetly watch this. [/ QUOTE ] Great. [ QUOTE ] Last night I watched a Chomsky Q&A video feed at Sussex University which is also very interesting; and he mentions 9/11 and the invalidity of 9/11 being an "inside job" [/ QUOTE ] The above has 9/11 in the title, but it's not really about that, it's more about American foreign policy. If you're interested in the 9/11 events itself, I suggest part II of Zeitgeist the Movie: http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...90539111319889
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