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#11
10-20-2007, 06:11 PM
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Re: $10NL - KK Against Flop Raise - Shove here?
I was saying to call and re-eval.
You are in position and can see what he does. If the turn is nasty and he makes a solid bet I don't mind a fold. If the turn blanks and you want to get it in, fine. Equity from draws tanks. If he had you beat on the flop, you get stacked on the turn - same thing. Make sense? Interesting hand. Would you mind posting results in a bit? 
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#12
10-20-2007, 06:30 PM
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Re: $10NL - KK Against Flop Raise - Shove here?
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This may be news to you but you really need this stat in your hud. [/ QUOTE ] really good to know. I've often wished I had that stat, seems sort of strange to me now that I never actually looked into whether it was available...
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#13
10-20-2007, 06:35 PM
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Re: $10NL - KK Against Flop Raise - Shove here?
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If the turn blanks and you want to get it in, fine. Equity from draws tanks. If he had you beat on the flop, you get stacked on the turn - same thing. [/ QUOTE ] Don't completely understand what you're saying here. I think your point (from your other reply too) is that shoving the flop is bad because it folds out hands I have beat and want to milk, and only gets hands that have *me* beat. So, for those hands that I beat, I call on the flop and try to get the rest of their money on the turn. If I'm behind I'm behind, so there's no difference between getting stacked on the flop and stacked on the turn, but by just smooth calling on the flop, I get way more value out of those hands I *do* have beat. Am I understanding you correctly? Thanks (I'll post results soon).
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#14
10-20-2007, 07:04 PM
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Re: $10NL - KK Against Flop Raise - Shove here?
Also, ICMoney, what HUD program do you use? I just use GameTime+ and I just looked and didn't see an option to add "folds to cbet" etc. Just the basic stats.
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#15
10-20-2007, 07:15 PM
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Re: $10NL - KK Against Flop Raise - Shove here?
Someone else made the point about only being called by better hands, etc.
I wasn't really saying to look for every opportunity to get it ai here. I was saying try to get to showdown if you can. I use Chop's 3bet hud, which is free and very good. You can get the link and read about it from here.
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#16
10-20-2007, 09:15 PM
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Re: $10NL - KK Against Flop Raise - Shove here?
Cool, thanks man, I'll check it out.
Anyway, results: I pushed, he called and flips over 82.
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