Full Ring Mods comment: Time for a split?

[Berge20]

Plese don't turn this into a Sniper thread.

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This is where Sniper's numbers would be useful.

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I really agree. While it doesnt provide a perfect predictor, it does give us a good sense of forum traffic growth. It was growing really well prior to his departure, but I honestly think that growth has stagnated. I could be wrong, but that's my impression. I'm not sure if the admins have this data, or could drum it up.

As mentioned, that doesn't necessarily predict how splitting the forums would ultimately work out. Other mods have indicated (when we've discussed this previously) that it actually enhanced turnout b/c players felt more comfortable posting (in terms of micro/low stakes) hands or felt they could get quality resonses (in terms of high stakes hands).

That said, the last figures I saw, we were running well below where uNL and SSNL were at before they split. Not that is necessarily a prereq or anything. What was the MTT split like?

[Cry Me A River]

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we have been using the FRnl forums asa the defacto live NL forums for 2/5 and lower, a split only assumes the players are playing online - this might further alienates live full ring players.

Also how do you think it would affect forum traffic? Just because its something that the people ask for doesn't mean they would like the results - keep that in mind. The end user usually see the big picture.

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We're currently only getting a handful of live threads. 8 in the last week. I'm sure whatever happens live players can be accommodated.

[nation]

i'm not really in favor of a split. fr has not grown to unmanageable levels, not even close. right now the community is great, good advice in threads, etc. cmar is right with his read that it makes people feel cooler to be a rung higher than other people playing the same game. i also agree that eventually it will split.

that being said, i don't think it's a big deal and if the users really want it and make good points, we should go for it. there has to be better reasons though.

as far as splitting and modding if it happened, i would push for 100nl+ to be a forum. just 200 and up wouldnt be enough and 100/200 are v similar. i don't think we would really need to add a new mod as we already have 4 which is more than enough, we all should just be modded on both forums. if for some reason it was really felt that someone was needed, i would push for someone who plays higher stakes to help me mod the higher stakes fr forum. futuredoc comes to mind as he is very much respected in the forum and i think he'd make fair decisions. i think the_main would be awesome as well. both those guys would do a great job. to be honest, main really would fit the forum well, he participates all the time, you never seem him being snappy with anyone. he's just a good guy and a true full ring grinder.

i don't think anyone plays 200nl+ regularly on the mod team right now. i only play 200nl and 2-5 or 5-10 live. i can't remember what berge plays (i think 200nl?) and i know cmar and db both go between limits up to 200. would be nice to put in main or futuredoc in the higher forum if the split happened.

cliffs notes: not really in favor of split, if everyone wants it and brings up good points to convince me, then i'll go along. the_main would make a great mod if we did split it, i would want him on the higher limit forum with me and whoever else. i think just putting all 4 on both forums would be fine as well.

[diebitter]

teh_main == good choice for higher. Even though I can read him like a book.

[Cry Me A River]

Yeah, I play 200NL semi-regularly but I don't have a ton of hands there. Usually just a couple good tables sprinkled in while multi-tabling. I've also played some 400NL but even less than 200NL. 100NL is really my bread and butter.

I would assume the split to be at 100NL to coincide with SSNL/uNL and ensure there's some traffic in both forums. A 200NL+ forum would be really dead.

I'm still pretty much against a split, but I don't consider myself at all militant about it. If it's clearly what the people want then I'm def not gonna fight against it. I think there's a good chance it sets traffic back six months or so but not a huge deal.

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CMAR - I'm on the same page with you.

[Cry Me A River]

BTW, this month's discussion is here:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...umber=13030890

There's a lot more support for a split this time around, however, it's the afternoon crowd so tilted towards full-timers. I'd expect to see it shift as the part-timers and casual players get home from work.