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08-21-2007, 01:31 PM
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Re: The New York Back Raise...25/50 Live
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] when i was a relatively inexperienced bigger live NL player, I fell for the backraise a few times, and shoved random stuff in pretty much the same spot as the kid here (though giving worse odds on the call) because I didn't buy it. Each time I was shown a big pair. So I'd stack off here, he's probably just confused. But i'd give him more rope in the first place probably. [/ QUOTE ] The one problem is how many people he has to shove against. He has literally 3 other callers between me and him, so when he shoves v. my back raise, he has to assume his hand is good enough to beat all 3 other hands, including my hand. Is this any consideration to a fold? When I raised, I decided I would be best off folding to a shove (because of the reason stated above), but when I chose the amount, I laid myself such a sick price that I had to call. [/ QUOTE ] dude, you reallllly need to play around with pokerstove for 5 minutes. given relevant info folding after you reraise is so absurd i cant believe youre even contemplating it. [/ QUOTE ] u missed the entire point of the hand, but thanks though. the fking point is that once i backraise i'm committed to calling a shove regardless because of "pokerstove" ranges. thanks for the awesome insight after many people have already posted this. what's funny is that you quoted something which states exactly what you wrote about, yet you decided to waste the time to write it anyways. 
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#2
08-15-2007, 09:39 AM
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Re: The New York Back Raise...25/50 Live
once yuo raise, it's the easiest call ever.
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08-15-2007, 09:42 AM
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Re: The New York Back Raise...25/50 Live
reraise to whatever commits you and call a push
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08-15-2007, 10:07 AM
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Re: The New York Back Raise...25/50 Live
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I predict the results; hero called and lost to AA, KK or AK. [/ QUOTE ] mdma, you should be a fortune teller
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08-15-2007, 02:24 PM
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Re: The New York Back Raise...25/50 Live
I would guess that the backraise is prominent because people routinely make it 15+ BBs with garbage hands and get lots of callers.
I'll go with (TWP's?) advice: reraise enough that you're committed and plan to get it allin. Given what you did, I'd still get allin.
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#8
08-15-2007, 03:31 PM
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Re: The New York Back Raise...25/50 Live
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I would guess that the backraise is prominent because people routinely make it 15+ BBs with garbage hands and get lots of callers. I'll go with (TWP's?) advice: reraise enough that you're committed and plan to get it allin. Given what you did, I'd still get allin. [/ QUOTE ] you realize a back raise is not the same as a limp-reraise, right?
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08-15-2007, 03:44 PM
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Re: The New York Back Raise...25/50 Live
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[ QUOTE ] I would guess that the backraise is prominent because people routinely make it 15+ BBs with garbage hands and get lots of callers. I'll go with (TWP's?) advice: reraise enough that you're committed and plan to get it allin. Given what you did, I'd still get allin. [/ QUOTE ] you realize a back raise is not the same as a limp-reraise, right? [/ QUOTE ] Hmm. I've got a friend who uses backraise to mean limp-reraise, and that's the only time I've heard that term used. I guess this is a different spot, but the times I've seen people stack off with JJ have been in this spot that you are describing. Not sure if it was for 250 BBs, but it was def. for 150+.
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