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08-12-2006, 12:32 PM
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Re: 5 things that may or may not be about avant-garde cinema
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I don't necessarily see it as an excuse. As all art is stolen from other art, implicitly or not. So even if an avant-garde film is utter tripe, it allows other artists, more talented, or simply perhaps better adapt at constructing and synthesizing these radical ideas, the ability to do so. "a small troop of highly skilled soldiers, explores [sic] the terrain ahead of a large advancing army and plots a course for the army to follow." Visionaries plot the course, they may not necessarily be the best at actually getting you there. [/ QUOTE ] They are filmmakers. If they make crappy films than they are crappy filmmakers. 
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08-12-2006, 01:21 PM
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Re: 5 things that may or may not be about avant-garde cinema
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[ QUOTE ] I don't necessarily see it as an excuse. As all art is stolen from other art, implicitly or not. So even if an avant-garde film is utter tripe, it allows other artists, more talented, or simply perhaps better adapt at constructing and synthesizing these radical ideas, the ability to do so. "a small troop of highly skilled soldiers, explores [sic] the terrain ahead of a large advancing army and plots a course for the army to follow." Visionaries plot the course, they may not necessarily be the best at actually getting you there. [/ QUOTE ] They are filmmakers. If they make crappy films than they are crappy filmmakers. [/ QUOTE ] not really. in order to be a truly great filmmaker you have to be willing to make a horrible film. that is, you have to take chances. sometimes they work, but occasionally you end up with a disaster, and that's fine. Otherwise, everything you make will be safe and, well, meh. in the case of avant-garde, it's much more important to take bigger and bolder choices, so there's a higher likelihood of disaster.
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#13
08-12-2006, 02:13 PM
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Re: 5 things that may or may not be about avant-garde cinema
Your views on baseball play-by-play in cinema are somewhat interesting.
This is not the only film that has used this background noise. A scene at the end of Running on Empty (with Judd Hirsch and Joaquin Phoenix) has Harry Kalas (Phillies) on their car-radio. It brings an element of continuity. Things can be moving along in life, but this baseball broadcast on the radio that is always there in the summer is pretty much the same sound that was there yesterday and the year before that and 10 years before that. There are other cinema examples of play-by-play but I can't think of them off the top of my head right now. The Red Sox in New England are the more romantic example of course. My recollections of hearing Brewers announcer Bob Uecker freaking EVERYWHERE you went during our 2-3 week visits to Wisconsin every summer are similar. I think we are moving past the era where the baseball radio play-by-play voice as the summer 'identity' for a region because more and more games are on TV and I think baseball radio networks are less of an influence. I also think that's kind of sad because there really is a certain romance to only being linked to a team/game through the 1 or 2 voices that the whole state/region knows and loves and having those voices with you from street to street, gas-station to gas-station, etc.
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08-12-2006, 04:08 PM
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Re: 5 things that may or may not be about avant-garde cinema
Excellent post, I especially agree with #5 - I haven't seen much avant-garde film, but I've listened to avant-garde music, and some of it is quite awful - yet sometimes it goes on to influence others to make excellent music by incorporating it.
There are few things quite like listening to a baseball game on a long drive - even a team you don't really know or care about. Also - watch Koyaanisqatsi, you won't regret it. I'd expect some of the imagery to look cliche to you, but that's only because other films have incorporated the techniques involved. Baraka, cinematographer on Koy Ron Fricke's similar film, looks far nicer but lacks the intensity.
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08-13-2006, 10:49 PM
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Re: 5 things that may or may not be about avant-garde cinema
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I think we are moving past the era where the baseball radio play-by-play voice as the summer 'identity' for a region because more and more games are on TV and I think baseball radio networks are less of an influence. I also think that's kind of sad because there really is a certain romance to only being linked to a team/game through the 1 or 2 voices that the whole state/region knows and loves and having those voices with you from street to street, gas-station to gas-station, etc. [/ QUOTE ] it is a shame, b/c Joe and Jerry are probably the most recognized voices in all New England. I'd hate to lose that aspect of summer in areas where baseball is an essential part of the summer
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