STTF SNG->cash thread - Page 197

Scuba Chuck · #**1961** 10-24-2007, 02:10 PM

Villain is 60/41/2.46 over 160 hands.
While those stats are very large, it's very noticeable. In addition, different than other open min-raise donkeys who have large PFRs, his raise sizes are generally legitimate to marginally too much.

In this hand, villain thought for a short bit before calling my 4bet, and then near insta-shoved flop.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($47.95)
CO ($51.60)
Button ($46.75)
SB ($125.85)
BB ($85.25)
UTG ($56.05)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises to $2, 2 folds, SB raises to $5.25, 1 fold, Hero raises to $17, SB calls $10.

Flop: ($32.75) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets $38, Hero calls $32.95 (All-In).

Edit: I should add, villain 3betting here was common, not uncommon (w/o regard to position).

Slim Pickens · #**1962** 10-24-2007, 03:08 PM

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Villain is 60/41/2.46 over 160 hands.
While those stats are very large, it's very noticeable. In addition, different than other open min-raise donkeys who have large PFRs, his raise sizes are generally legitimate to marginally too much.

In this hand, villain thought for a short bit before calling my 4bet, and then near insta-shoved flop.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($47.95)
CO ($51.60)
Button ($46.75)
SB ($125.85)
BB ($85.25)
UTG ($56.05)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises to $2, 2 folds, SB raises to $5.25, 1 fold, Hero raises to $17, SB calls $10.

Flop: ($32.75) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets $38, Hero calls $32.95 (All-In).

Edit: I should add, villain 3betting here was common, not uncommon (w/o regard to position).

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The only thing that worries me is that he might be "bluffing" with a better hand. Getting 2:1, however, it's hard to imagine you're more than a 2:1 dog (you're getting odds against top 20% of starting hands). It looks marginal but probably OK.

wuwei · #**1963** 10-24-2007, 03:16 PM

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Villain is 60/41/2.46 over 160 hands.
While those stats are very large, it's very noticeable. In addition, different than other open min-raise donkeys who have large PFRs, his raise sizes are generally legitimate to marginally too much.

In this hand, villain thought for a short bit before calling my 4bet, and then near insta-shoved flop.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($47.95)
CO ($51.60)
Button ($46.75)
SB ($125.85)
BB ($85.25)
UTG ($56.05)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises to $2, 2 folds, SB raises to $5.25, 1 fold, Hero raises to $17, SB calls $10.

Flop: ($32.75) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets $38, Hero calls $32.95 (All-In).

Edit: I should add, villain 3betting here was common, not uncommon (w/o regard to position).

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Call the flop once you get there, yah.

I think preflop sucks, though, pretty much start to finish [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

Scuba Chuck · #**1964** 10-24-2007, 05:36 PM

New player to table.

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UTG ($55.65)
MP ($22.50)
Hero ($81.15)
Button ($102.40)
SB ($19.05)
BB ($52.30)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. MP posts a blind of $0.75.
1 fold, MP (poster) raises to $1, Hero raises to $3.5, 3 folds, MP calls $2.50.

Flop: ($8) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $6, MP calls $6.

Turn: ($20) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP bets $1.5, Hero calls $1.50.

River: ($23) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP bets $3.5, Hero calls $3.50.

DevinLake · #**1965** 10-24-2007, 05:39 PM

haha so bad. I play it the same.

DevinLake · #**1966** 10-24-2007, 05:43 PM

[ QUOTE ]
Villain is 60/41/2.46 over 160 hands.
While those stats are very large, it's very noticeable. In addition, different than other open min-raise donkeys who have large PFRs, his raise sizes are generally legitimate to marginally too much.

In this hand, villain thought for a short bit before calling my 4bet, and then near insta-shoved flop.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($47.95)
CO ($51.60)
Button ($46.75)
SB ($125.85)
BB ($85.25)
UTG ($56.05)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises to $2, 2 folds, SB raises to $5.25, 1 fold, Hero raises to $17, SB calls $10.

Flop: ($32.75) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets $38, Hero calls $32.95 (All-In).

Edit: I should add, villain 3betting here was common, not uncommon (w/o regard to position).

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I'd usually like a little better than to play back with. Either a bigger A, a pocket pair, or something suited. Axs or a SC or one gapper. Letting these guys pwn you for a bit, isn't always a bad thing.

Slim Pickens · #**1967** 10-24-2007, 05:44 PM

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New player to table.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG ($55.65)
MP ($22.50)
Hero ($81.15)
Button ($102.40)
SB ($19.05)
BB ($52.30)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. MP posts a blind of $0.75.
1 fold, MP (poster) raises to $1, Hero raises to $3.5, 3 folds, MP calls $2.50.

Flop: ($8) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $6, MP calls $6.

Turn: ($20) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP bets $1.5, Hero calls $1.50.

River: ($23) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP bets $3.5, Hero calls $3.50.

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I shove the turn 100% of the time. People who buy in for stupid amounts, post mid-orbit, and donk-bet $1.50 into a $20 pot are fairly likely to have stupid hands like T-high flush draws. As played I guess I don't hate calling down as you did. If he does call you with A4o, you'll get the $$ back anyway since you're sitting directly to his left and he's obviously beyond terrible.

DevinLake · #**1968** 10-24-2007, 05:46 PM

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB ($83.70)
Hero ($52)
MP ($58.45)
CO ($38.75)
Button ($75)
SB ($23)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
Hero raises to $2, 1 fold, CO calls $2, 3 folds.

Flop: ($4.75) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $3.5, CO raises to $7, Hero raises to $50,

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I'd like to know more about the villain. It can't be real bad, but calling could be better against some passive opponents.

DevinLake · #**1969** 10-24-2007, 05:49 PM

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

UTG ($50.20)
jb ($50.50)
CO ($50)
Button ($41.85)
SB ($90.05)
BB ($52.95)

Preflop: jb is MP with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, jb raises to $2, 2 folds, SB calls $1.75, 1 fold.

Flop: ($4.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, jb checks.

Turn: ($4.50) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, jb bets $2.5, SB calls $2.50.

River: ($9.50) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, jb checks.

Final Pot: $9.50

Villain is 54/17/3.1 over 64 hands

Should I value bet here?

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I like the flop and the turn. I will sometimes vb JJ on the flop against villains that peel very loose. I definitely bet the river.

DevinLake · #**1970** 10-24-2007, 05:53 PM

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UTG+1: 34/14/1.33 over 50 hands
SB: 38/2/1.43 over 50 hands
BB: no info

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
Hero: $136.05
UTG+1: $82.35
CO: $59.05
Button: $225.10
SB: $52.95
BB: $95.50

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Hero raises to $3, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($12, 4 players)
SB bets $12, BB calls, Hero raises to $30, UTG+1 raises to $48, SB folds, BB folds, Hero ???

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I hate spots like this. Passive players still baffle me. Cause often they still overplay TP and they love to slow play big hands when they shouldn't.

I still fold here with just one pair, but I'm amazed how often A9 vs fd is shown down here.

As for you play...purpose of the flop raise?

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