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Re: SSNL [cheese] thread: NOV Pt 2 (nc)
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] yeah what's wrong with the 4b? [/ QUOTE ] cuz we're bluffing w/ a pair pf? [/ QUOTE ] so? i fail to see it's value as a hand otherwise [/ QUOTE ] Your better off folding or calling and making moves on certain flops along w/ set value? |
#1952
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Re: SSNL [cheese] thread: NOV Pt 2 (nc)
i mean, if he's 3betting wide enough then it becomes profitable. pretty simple. he folds the large majority of the time and when he doesn't, we're probably something like 33% against his range (just an estimate)
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#1953
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Re: SSNL [cheese] thread: NOV Pt 2 (nc)
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i mean, if he's 3betting wide enough then it becomes profitable. pretty simple. he folds the large majority of the time and when he doesn't, we're probably something like 33% against his range (just an estimate) [/ QUOTE ] Well, it doesn't seem like a good idea vs an unknown w/ "TAGish stats". You need to know he's 3betting light a lot here to consider it right? |
#1954
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Re: SSNL [cheese] thread: NOV Pt 2 (nc)
sure if you want to turn 77 into a pure bluff because you think 4 betting any 2 cards is profitable, but even then, we leave ourself in a pretty terrible spot if and when shoved on. not to mention that i think making a 4 bet to 36bbs when you are playing 100bbs deep is pretty silly and i think it has less fold equity than a smaller 4 bet or a shove, leaving ourselves vulenerable to making bad folds and bad calls when shoved on.
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#1955
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Re: SSNL [cheese] thread: NOV Pt 2 (nc)
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sure if you want to turn 77 into a pure bluff because you think 4 betting any 2 cards is profitable, but even then, we leave ourself in a pretty terrible spot if and when shoved on. not to mention that i think making a 4 bet to 36bbs when you are playing 100bbs deep is pretty silly and i think it has less fold equity than a smaller 4 bet or a shove, leaving ourselves vulenerable to making bad folds and bad calls when shoved on. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, it seems horrible w/ 100bb's. If ur gonna do it a 4minbet is much better |
#1956
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Re: SSNL [cheese] thread: NOV Pt 2 (nc)
ok so maybe it has more fold equity than a small 4 bet, but still...
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#1957
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Re: SSNL [cheese] thread: NOV Pt 2 (nc)
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] yeah what's wrong with the 4b? [/ QUOTE ] cuz we're bluffing w/ a pair pf? [/ QUOTE ] so? i fail to see it's value as a hand otherwise [/ QUOTE ] Your better off folding or calling and making moves on certain flops along w/ set value? [/ QUOTE ] So, you're better off: 1. folding what is often the best hand preflop or 2. waiting until after the flop when his two card hand turns into a five card hand to turn your pair into a bluff or 3. Folding what will, a good percent of the time be the best hand post flop than you are 'bluffing w/a pair p/f'? SSNL has been around and around about this type of play before and I remain unconvinced that there is anything wrong with four betting with mid and even small pairs some small percentage of the time to combat light three betting. Especially oop. |
#1958
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Re: SSNL [cheese] thread: NOV Pt 2 (nc)
well i was advocating 4bettting with the intention of calling. if you aren't sure he's reraising wide enough to do that i'd probably just fold.
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#1959
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Re: SSNL [cheese] thread: NOV Pt 2 (nc)
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well i was advocating 4bettting with the intention of calling. if you aren't sure he's reraising wide enough to do that i'd probably just fold. [/ QUOTE ] It's $100nl. 4bet calling w/ 77 is reeeally bad. |
#1960
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Re: SSNL [cheese] thread: NOV Pt 2 (nc)
I'm not advocating 4-bet/folding either. Perhaps that was unclear from the last sentence, simply paraphrased from BGnight's post.
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