***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)

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If we could get more hands in live I could make sooo much money at casinos.....though I gues they'd go broke faster (but there are prolly more fishes live, right, I dunno)...all I know is live games are ridiculously soft and I still make more $ per hour online because you can play so many more hands online than live per hour.

[/ QUOTE ]Not many people go to a casino to sit and wait for hands. It's all gamble. Totally standard for a table to have PFR of 8xbb or higher too, lol. You can almost just nut peddle. I'll gamble it up with them a bit too, I shoved the sucker straight for like 200bb at Mandalay Bay and two people called me neither had me beat or had a set. Two pair and one with middle pair + gutshot... gutshot sucked out. That sucked. But, make it back so easy. Most tables just never going to see someone fold middle pair. Every now and then you run into a player who makes a big fold, but then he keeps doing it in really dumb spots where it's a trivial call.

The only downside is live players are INCREDIBLY annoying. But it's fun at the right table along with hugely profitable. I left a juicy game at the Tropicana because this one tool was tanking every hand and complained more in 20 mins than Hellmuth has done in his lifetime... in 200nl! Ugh.


edit: Bah, FT MTT I raised CO with AJ, station calls on button. J33 flop. A few hands ago I bet flop and c/f turn. So, I bet. He calls. Blank on turn. I check. He bets. I shove. He instacalls with J9 spikes a 9, weeeeeeee! FU poker gawds.

[Phildo]

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craps >>>>>>>>>>>baccar at>>>blackjack


except baccarat is kind of boring...craps is definately the most fun and has the 2nd best EV.

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Ah...blackjack's the only table game I know how to play (knowing how to play means having a +ev edge or having the lowest -ev disadvantage). And I really think I could pull off one of the simple counting systmes like KO or Hi/Lo but only if there were 3 or fewer players at the table....more than that + the dealer going as fast as he/she does and I get lost after 3-5 hands. Maybe if I practiced it....but that'd be stupid since I already have such an edge at certain poker games and I would rarely travel to AC to play blackjack.....plus their deck penetration is always gonna be an issue and I would likely need to learn a more complicated counting system to be able to really count on it to make some money.

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The problem is they catch on real quick when you start changing your bet sizes. That's why it's done with teams.

[kroeliewoelie]

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Don't open up UTG. Open up on the button. Raise ATC. 2nd barrel a lot, value bet 2nd pair, bluff raise.

My 929 sample at 10 NL (35/33/5): 12 buy-ins up, 60ptBB/100. That is an hourly winrate of $32.41, or more than 3 buy-ins an hour 3 tabling. I think I am going to experiment a little bit more with this style and if I am still succesfull after 5K hands I am going to experiment at 20NL.

Another good thing is that your opponents go insane. I just stacked 3 people in 17 hands.

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open up as in raise the hand not open my game up. guess i should have said raise. i take it your first lang not eng? not trying to be an ass if that how it sounds just think you mistook what i meant. i only play like a 21/18 game overall so i'm no lag by any stretch.

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English is indeed not my first language, but I did understand that you meant raising those hands UTG. What I meant to say is that I am starting to believe a lot of us still overestimate the importance of their cards. A lot of opponents at 10NL are so unobservant that they don't notice I play ATC from the button, but play tight everywhere else. This means I am getting an insane amount of action and am practically able to openshove my good hands OOP, because they think I am pushing them around OOP just as I am doing it IP. This is obviously not true. I only do insane things IP, because it's a lot cheaper there.

So the bottomline is: I think it may be easier to play J5o profitable on the button than playing T9s UTG.

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Oh man I love live MTT's especially if they have a decent BI...so much fun and the break from really playing plus the poss. of a huge score.

I remember one time though in a live MTT...one hand a shortsack goes all-in so on the button I raise with like A3 or something cause I'm ahead of his range and I'm iso'ing. Eeveryone folds and he's got like QT or w/e...he beats me.


A few hands later I raise CO or button with 88-TT or something, I don't remember exactly and this chick in the blinds makes a reraise (that totally commits both our stacks.)....I tank for like a minute and fold saying you have a bigger pair than me. (I mean I think that's fair + in my limited experience girls are generally much tighter than most guys.) She shows like A8 and says...well I saw you raise A3 before.


And you are so right about the cash games. Nobody goes to a casino to play so they can fold. And the standard raise is at least 8BB's...in my experience it's a bit bigger and often times several people will call and your reraise to 25-35 BB's will get called. They are so ridiculously soft.




Any rule against bringing your laptop to a casino and playing 7 tables online at the same time as playing 1 live?

[Lego05]

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craps >>>>>>>>>>>baccar at>>>blackjack


except baccarat is kind of boring...craps is definately the most fun and has the 2nd best EV.

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Ah...blackjack's the only table game I know how to play (knowing how to play means having a +ev edge or having the lowest -ev disadvantage). And I really think I could pull off one of the simple counting systmes like KO or Hi/Lo but only if there were 3 or fewer players at the table....more than that + the dealer going as fast as he/she does and I get lost after 3-5 hands. Maybe if I practiced it....but that'd be stupid since I already have such an edge at certain poker games and I would rarely travel to AC to play blackjack.....plus their deck penetration is always gonna be an issue and I would likely need to learn a more complicated counting system to be able to really count on it to make some money.

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The problem is they catch on real quick when you start changing your bet sizes. That's why it's done with teams.

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Yea...yea I know. I wonder if you just randomized your bet a little bit. Like I mean just changing it up by a little bit even when nothing's really changed + drinking something you brought and acting drunk. Prolly take a while to catch on if they ever did.


I've pretty much resigned to just playing every very once and a while with girlfriend just for fun though and maybe occasionally playing singe deck (again mostly for fun) where I think it's much easier to do this. [The floor guy though was watching me quite a bit when I was playing single deck....He let me play the match play when I wanted to though when the dealer asked if I could.]

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What was your ROI at 60's if you don't mind? Mine was only like 3% or so for the time I played them.

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I don't think that I have more than 1k sngs at stars in my career. At the 55s on party i was making somewhere around $5 per sng played while 8 tabling, so I guess that makes 9%.

[Lego05]

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So the bottomline is: I think it may be easier to play J5o profitable on the button than playing T9s UTG.

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I agree. Both are standard folds for me...but I'd rather open J5o on button. However T9s in MP or CO are both more +ev than J9o on button I think....and I think for at least some players better than me T9s UTG is probably (though not definitely) more +ev than J5o on button.

[Lego05]

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What was your ROI at 60's if you don't mind? Mine was only like 3% or so for the time I played them.

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I don't think that I have more than 1k sngs at stars in my career. At the 55s on party i was making somewhere around $5 per sng played while 8 tabling, so I guess that makes 9%.

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Ah yea I never played at party....missed the gravy train I guess.


9% at that level is real good in my book though.





I'm kinda drunk btw if nobody noticed.

[dthorne04]

drinking = + EV on a friday night imo

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drinking = + EV on a friday night imo

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AGREE. I started 7 hours ago....took it slow though and now back at home just eating popcorn, watching Futurama DVD and polishing off last beer I have.