STTF SNG->cash thread - Page 192

Slim Pickens · #**1911** 10-23-2007, 11:09 AM

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Just sat so I don't have stats on the guy.

But, he's played every hand and already stacked me once.

He called 25bbs preflop with ATs and stacked me when he turned a flush and I had JJ. So, his range preflop seems to be close to ATC, especially when he posted out of turn.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (6 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

Hero ($403.60)
MP ($384)
CO ($1168)
Button ($414)
SB ($514)
BB ($404)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $6.
Hero raises to $20, 1 fold, CO (poster) calls $16, 3 folds.

Flop: ($48) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $40, CO calls $40.

Turn: ($128) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $100, CO calls $100.

River: ($328) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero ????

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I really want to value-shove so he can call with AQ or T8 or worse. Checking just lets him see a cheap showdown when you have the best hand.

EDIT: Basically what Devin said...

Slim Pickens · #**1912** 10-23-2007, 11:13 AM

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where can i start betting again?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed)

Hero ($51.10)
MP ($28.95)
CO ($102)
Button ($45.35)
SB ($60.95)
BB ($25)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
Hero raises to $2, 2 folds, Button calls $2, SB calls $1.75, 1 fold.

Flop: ($6.50) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

Turn: ($6.50) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

River: ($6.50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

Final Pot: $6.50

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I think you should bet the turn pretty much all the time. Given a turn check, I think you can bet the river, as people will call with some really weak hands you're beating and it's not likely you'll get bluff-raised on that board at NL50.

Jbrochu · #**1913** 10-23-2007, 12:58 PM

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

BB ($28.25)
UTG ($8.55)
jb ($26.50)
CO ($23.95)
Button ($29.95)
SB ($26.85)

Preflop: jb is MP with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.25, jb raises to $1.25, 3 folds, BB calls $1, UTG calls $1.

Flop: ($3.85) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB bets $3.5, UTG calls $3.50, jb....?

danny 80/40/1.25 20 hands
diesal 32/0/.33 22 hands

Do I just put in a big raise and hope for the best?

Jbrochu · #**1914** 10-23-2007, 01:06 PM

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

MP ($24.25)
CO ($34.55)
Button ($7.35)
jb ($51.20)
BB ($30.55)
UTG ($79.45)

Preflop: jb is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.50, 3 folds, jb raises to $2.5, 1 fold, UTG calls $2.

Flop: ($5.50) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
jb bets $5, UTG calls $5.

Turn: ($15.50) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
jb checks, UTG checks.

River: ($15.50) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
jb checks, UTG bets $13, jb...?

Villain is 25/10/1.1 over 60 hands.

We tangled once earlier and got all in preflop and both had AA. He 3-bet his AA preflop and shoved over my 4-bet fwiw.

Jbrochu · #**1915** 10-23-2007, 01:25 PM

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where can i start betting again?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Poker]http://www.flopturnriver.com/reviews/Online-Poker-PokerStars.php#converter]Poker Stars[/url] Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($51.10)
MP ($28.95)
CO ($102)
Button ($45.35)
SB ($60.95)
BB ($25)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
Hero raises to $2, 2 folds, Button calls $2, SB calls $1.75, 1 fold.

Flop: ($6.50) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

Turn: ($6.50) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

River: ($6.50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

Final Pot: $6.50

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I would bet the turn.

Jbrochu · #**1916** 10-23-2007, 01:37 PM

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Villain unknown < 10 hands.

3 bet PF ok, just call the 4 bet?

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Button ($5.80)
SB ($36.55)
Hero ($25)
UTG ($31)
UTG+1 ($24.50)
MP1 ($26.75)
MP2 ($28.35)
MP3 ($24.65)
CO ($25)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $0.25.
4 folds, MP3 raises to $1.25, 3 folds, Hero raises to $4, MP3 raises to $6.75, Hero calls $2.75.

Flop: ($13.85) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 checks.

Turn: ($13.85) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets $3, Hero calls $3.

River: ($19.85) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets $7

Am I just been done on this flop or

should I of lead one of these streets.

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I think preflop and flop are both good. I would consider leading the turn but stack sizes are a bit uncomfortable for that.

As played I would probably call the river and then kick myself because I knew he had some stupid hand like AJ.

cha59 · #**1917** 10-23-2007, 02:05 PM

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where can i start betting again?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) <a href=" http://www.flopturnriver.com/reviews/Online-Poker-PokerStars.php#converter]Poker</a> Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($51.10)
MP ($28.95)
CO ($102)
Button ($45.35)
SB ($60.95)
BB ($25)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
Hero raises to $2, 2 folds, Button calls $2, SB calls $1.75, 1 fold.

Flop: ($6.50) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

Turn: ($6.50) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

River: ($6.50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

Final Pot: $6.50

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I would bet the turn.

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I'd bet the flop. Someone please tell me why not?

Slim Pickens · #**1918** 10-23-2007, 02:22 PM

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where can i start betting again?

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Hero ($51.10)
MP ($28.95)
CO ($102)
Button ($45.35)
SB ($60.95)
BB ($25)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
Hero raises to $2, 2 folds, Button calls $2, SB calls $1.75, 1 fold.

Flop: ($6.50) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

Turn: ($6.50) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

River: ($6.50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

Final Pot: $6.50

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I would bet the turn.

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I'd bet the flop. Someone please tell me why not?

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Almost all better hands call. Worse hands either fold or raise, and you have to fold to a raise. Free cards aren't likely to hurt your hand. If you check, people will bet and call bets with hands you beat on later streets.

Slim Pickens · #**1919** 10-23-2007, 03:50 PM

Villain is 34/24/2.1 over 80 hands. 50% c-bet, 0% c/r. I vaguely remember him FPSing all over some big hand earlier where he drew thin and made his hand on the river, then tried a c/r in a stupid spot. He'd actually been min-raising preflop a lot, so this real raise was a bit unusual.

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $231.80
UTG+1: $106.15
CO: $85.95
Hero: $140.60
SB: $23.45
BB: $110.85

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to $4, CO folds, Hero calls, 2 folds.

Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($9.5, 2 players)
UTG+1 bets $9.5, Hero raises to $30, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($69.5, 2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero checks.

River: K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($69.5, 2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero checks.

GtrHtr · #**1920** 10-23-2007, 04:23 PM

what are his fold to cbet and fold to turn bet stats? I'll fire #2 on the turn there most times after rr'ing the flop.

Betting the river after that weak turn looks really weak so check is good. Fire the turn mang.

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